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Grex > Systems > #98: The Mac OS X 10.5 - aka Leopard - Item | |
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cross
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response 34 of 68:
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Feb 23 05:24 UTC 2009 |
That's good!
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keesan
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response 35 of 68:
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Feb 23 05:37 UTC 2009 |
I got Russian working with links browser (which is graphical with embedded
images but uses console fonts). And Russian streaming audio. A 486 would
be perfect for this but we don't have any left.
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ball
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response 36 of 68:
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Feb 23 16:03 UTC 2009 |
I don't have any 486 boxes either, but at least it's
possible to build energy-efficient modern PCs now. Not sure
whether any of those are reaching the curbside yet though.
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nharmon
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response 37 of 68:
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Feb 23 16:38 UTC 2009 |
humm. I run FreeBSD and drive a Jeep. Okay.
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nharmon
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response 38 of 68:
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Feb 23 16:38 UTC 2009 |
...Oh I get it. I like things for which there is a ton of free
documentation on how to modify for my own use.
:D
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keesan
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response 39 of 68:
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Feb 23 20:02 UTC 2009 |
We measured energy use and a 486 beats a 386 or a pentium. The earliest
pentiums were less energy efficient than slightly later ones. Faster cpus
use more energy.
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ball
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response 40 of 68:
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Feb 24 02:55 UTC 2009 |
That's not always the case. Thankfully sanity prevailed
at Intel and even AMD have some modern, fast chips that burn
less power than predecessors.
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keesan
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response 41 of 68:
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Feb 24 04:55 UTC 2009 |
Less than a 486?
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ball
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response 42 of 68:
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Feb 24 20:16 UTC 2009 |
Possibly. Have you looked at Intel Atom? For less than
$120 it's possible to buy a mainboard with an Atom processor
soldered to it and 2 Gbytes of RAM.
I can see that rescuing curbside 486 machines costs less
and keeps them from the landfill. RAM and disk capacity
limitations might be a drawback though.
This being the MacOS X Leopard item, I should probably
mention that one of the Darwin ports (I /think/ only Pure-
Darwin survives) might work on the Atom board. There are
several non-Darwin desktop BSDs and Linux of course as
alternatives.
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remmers
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response 43 of 68:
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Sep 8 22:47 UTC 2009 |
Has anybody else upgraded to Snow Leopard (OS X 10.6) yet? I did,
the day it was released. Risky move, I know - did it for 10.5 but
ended up going back to 10.4 (Tiger) until certain issues were
resolved. But advance reviews indicated that Snow Leopard was
largely glitch-free and involved mostly under-the-hood revisions,
not user interface stuff, so I took a chance.
Overall I'm really pleased with Snow Leopard. It takes up less
disk than Leopard (saved me about 7 GB). The system boots faster -
just over a minute, instead of the 2-3 minutes that Leopard took.
Applications open and close faster - especially noticeable in the
Mail app. Time Machine backups are faster. Although there are no
radical changes to the user interface, there are some nice
enhancements. For example, the the Airport drop-down menu displays
signal strengths for the networks it can see. Also, when you open a
dock folder in "grid" view, you can go to subfolders and stay in
grid view (which should have been the case all along, of course).
Snow Leopard runs only on Intel Macs, and so marks the end of Apple
support for the Power PC architecture.
For an exhaustive detailed review of Snow Leopard, see John Siracusa's
writeup in Ars Technica:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars
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rcurl
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response 44 of 68:
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Sep 9 05:41 UTC 2009 |
There is a Mac OS X item in micros cf (I mention this because I ask questions
there but noone ever answers them, and I'd like others to hang out there too.)
I've stayed with OS 10.4.11 having heard those bad things about 10.5. But I'd
be a little worried about going to 10.6 because of the possibility of other
apps I have not working in it.
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remmers
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response 45 of 68:
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Sep 9 11:30 UTC 2009 |
I'll check out the Micros item.
OS X 10.5 was a bit flaky when it first come out, but that was
a couple of years ago. There have been several updates, and the
current version is quite solid. With 10.5, Spotlight works pretty
well, and you also get Time Machine, Apple's great incremental backup
system. I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade to 10.5 at this point.
However, if you have 3rd party software that's important to you,
it's probably wise to check first that it runs under 10.5.
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nharmon
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response 46 of 68:
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Sep 9 12:25 UTC 2009 |
Your OS decreased in size and saved you 7GB? Woah.
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remmers
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response 47 of 68:
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Sep 9 14:32 UTC 2009 |
Yep, 10.6 uses significantly less disk space than 10.5. That's the
opposite of the way things usually go with an OS upgrade.
Part of the savings is due to dropping Power PC support.
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keesan
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response 48 of 68:
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Sep 9 15:38 UTC 2009 |
How big is 10.6?
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cross
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response 49 of 68:
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Sep 10 13:19 UTC 2009 |
(Way more than will fit onto a 3.5" floppy disk.)
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remmers
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response 50 of 68:
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Sep 10 14:14 UTC 2009 |
It comes on a DVD with a capacity of 6.74 GB, of which 6.65 GB is
actually used. It's hard to tell how that translates to actual
hard disk storage once it's installed, though. Apple's official
"Technical Requirements" page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html)
specifies 1GB minimum memory and 5GB minimum disk space.
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other
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response 51 of 68:
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Sep 12 18:31 UTC 2009 |
I'm still running 10.5 on a machine that came with it. I've been
holding off on 10.6 until some of the inevitable bugs fixes come out.
10.6.1 is out now, but I'm still not particularly motivated to implement
the change.
I think that when I do go to 10.6, I'll first wipe my Time Machine drive
and do a Carbon Copy Clone, and then start fresh with Time Machine after
the upgrade. Aside from the speed, I should save a bunch of disk space
on backups.
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remmers
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response 52 of 68:
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Sep 12 23:45 UTC 2009 |
I did a Carbon Copy Clone of my 10.5 before upgrading, but didn't
wipe Time Machine.
Always anxious to be on the cutting edge, I've upgraded to 10.6.1.
No differences that I can notice.
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keesan
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response 53 of 68:
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Sep 13 02:22 UTC 2009 |
What is Time Machine?
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remmers
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response 54 of 68:
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Sep 13 11:40 UTC 2009 |
Time Machine is an incremental backup system for OS X. Google
os+x+time+machine for detailed info.
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keesan
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response 55 of 68:
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Sep 13 12:38 UTC 2009 |
What do you back up other than personal data?
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remmers
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response 56 of 68:
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Sep 15 12:44 UTC 2009 |
Time Machine backs up the entire system.
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remmers
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response 57 of 68:
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Oct 4 13:43 UTC 2010 |
By the way, Snow Leopard is up to 10.6.4 now and extremely stable.
I've been reading David Pogue's excellent book "Mac OS X Snow
Leopard: The Missing Manual". In spite of the fact that I've been
an OS X user for over six years, I've learned quite a bit from
it.
Keyboard shortcuts in particular. For instance, you get useful
extra info about your wifi connection if you hold down the 'option'
key when clicking on the Airport icon in the menu bar. Or notice
what happens when you press 'option' when the Apple dropdown menu
is visible. Clicking on a application in the dock while holding
down 'option' or 'command' or 'option+command' also has useful
effects. And there are key combinations for logging off, sleeping,
restarting, or shutting down without confirmation, if you're in
a hurry.
Okay, so I'm a keyboard trivialist. But I find that keyboard
shortcuts, once they become familiar, can really speed up my work.
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keesan
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response 58 of 68:
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Oct 4 15:25 UTC 2010 |
Ctrl-Alt-Del does not seem to work on a Mac. OS 10.4 Ctrl-F2 down arrow to
shutoff. Is there some keyboard way to bring up a pseudoterminal?
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