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richard
response 33 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 04:58 UTC 2004

maybe grex needs to consider getting rid of its remaining dialin lines, save
for one for staff and member use.  The need for dialin lines isnt there
anymore, since 99.9% of all users coming here presumably have other 'net
access and could telnet in or use backtalk.  Just keep one line, make access
to it a member perk, and for staff use.
naftee
response 34 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 05:46 UTC 2004

Thanks mfp!
mfp
response 35 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 05:47 UTC 2004

You're welcome, naftee!

Thanks for thanking me!
charcat
response 36 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 08:34 UTC 2004

I use dialin lines and so do some friends, keep them please.
aruba
response 37 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 12:26 UTC 2004

I think we might be able to drop a line now with no ill effects, but it is
an important part of Grex's charitable mission, and there are quite a few
people who use them.
mooncat
response 38 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 12:34 UTC 2004

re #$22- pain in the ass or not, it doesn't make it xenophobic. :)
mfp
response 39 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 13:44 UTC 2004

It does, though.  If you looked at the options listed for showing proof of
ID, you'd know that one of them's presenting it to the treasurer in person.
This CLEARLY is much easier for someone who's already part of the Ann Arbor
Grexist Community (AAGC) to do that it is for me to do.

It's xenophobic.
keesan
response 40 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 13:47 UTC 2004

WHat are the recent statistics on dial-in lines?  We both use them as do two
of our friends (who have ISP access but one is only M-F 6-6 and it would take
me a year to teach him to telnet).
blaise
response 41 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 14:01 UTC 2004

Re resp:32 - certainly bandwidth-capping mechanisms exist; whether any
facilities you're considering colocating in have them is another question.
It is possible to set it up yourselves with an additional computer (set up
as a firewall).  I haven't done it myself, but I understand the theory...
aruba
response 42 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 14:47 UTC 2004

Re #39 - David, I offered to meet you in your home town last summer; you
could have showed me some ID then.  (I drove right through your town on
401.)
mfp
response 43 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 14:54 UTC 2004

STILL, Mark.
tod
response 44 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 17:55 UTC 2004

Great suggestions on colo, Jan.
I think the library makes the most sense in the big picture.
tod
response 45 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 17:58 UTC 2004

re #23
 nothing changes.  Let's see tod make a proposal, if he's really serious about
 something other than complaining.
When I feel the debate has covered all the angles sufficiently and if there
is enough interest, I will consider making a proposal.  Do you have anything
to contribute other than calling us whiners?
mooncat
response 46 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 18:55 UTC 2004

RE #39- but that's just ONE of the ways, that's not the only ways. 
Given the number of forms of ID that are acceptable, I'm still not 
understanding the usage of the word xenophobic. Please try again.
tod
response 47 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 19:14 UTC 2004

Are copies of all member's ID in possession by the treasurer?
mfp
response 48 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 19:20 UTC 2004

Re. 46:  Listen.  If I could become a member without having to stand up, I
would.  If I have to stand up, though, Grex isn't getting my money.
tod
response 49 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 19:48 UTC 2004

re #48
You can't do paypal sitting down?
mfp
response 50 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 20:15 UTC 2004

To get a verified account, I'd have to go to the bank to get a chequeing
account and to see how much money Paypal deposits in it as a way to make sure
it's my account and all.
scott
response 51 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 22:56 UTC 2004

Re 45:  The horse is quite dead.  I don't think your beatings are going to
get anymore plowing done.
aruba
response 52 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 23:17 UTC 2004

Re #47: Yes.
tod
response 53 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 23:21 UTC 2004

re #51
That's quite perverted and rude.
naftee
response 54 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 02:00 UTC 2004

ploughing
mooncat
response 55 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 13:27 UTC 2004

re #48- so how about if you had to lay down instead of stand up? ;)

I'm still not hearing how this is xenophobic though.
mfp
response 56 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 13:57 UTC 2004

If it's not obvious to you, it's only because xenophobia is so, uh, ingrained
into your system that you have trouble spotting it.
albaugh
response 57 of 81: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 17:43 UTC 2004

I don't care if grex is/isn't xenophobic or Xena the Warrior System.
Labeling it doesn't advance your argument a whit.
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