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keesan
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response 33 of 69:
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Nov 8 20:26 UTC 2001 |
I did sign up for geocities using lynx 2.8.3 after downloading the picture
(of a word or number). That worked fine. But I could not get any of my ftp
programs to upload files to geocities - Nettamer, Clarkson University (part
of Arachne). Nettamer, Arachne, Skipper and Lynx were incapable of using the
Easy Upload method, which may need javascript or more probably Windows.
These FTP programs all worked fine to and from grex. Have you tried DOS-based
ftp to Geocities? Or a DOS-based browser and Easy Upload?
Lynx also works fine to create and modify index.html at geocities.
Arachne managed to upload a small text file but seems to have problems with
large attachments of any sort. I think this was Easy Upload. After a few
hours of this I gave up and tried Netscape and occasionally it works but
usually crashes (with 16M RAM - it runs okay with 8 otherwise).
May I sent you (Paul Dunne) a copy of the Clarkson U FTP program (you need
something like DOSPPP to dial first) to try it out, or can you try with
Nettamer to FTP?
Do non-paying grexers have outgoing FTP privileges on grex? (I know they
don't have incoming FTP).
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dunne
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response 34 of 69:
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Nov 8 20:38 UTC 2001 |
#33:
Well, what's the error message? And have you tried asking geocities
support? ftp is a standard Internet protocol; it *can't* matter what
OS you are using, if your client is implementing the protocol correctly.
The account I used is an existing yahoo account, rather than one created
specifically to make a homepage; perhaps that makes a difference?
Javascript is not required for easy upload; file upload was originally
a netscape "enhancement" to the standard, as I recall, so netscape and
IE and maybe others can do it; but not lynx. It doesn't need Windows;
my linux netscape can do it.
Pointless sending me DOS internet programs, as I don't have a native DOS
box (I could run them under dosemu, but I don't fancy trying to get an
Internet connection established with that!).
No, I can't ftp out from here -- but I *can* ftp in.
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steve
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response 35 of 69:
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Nov 8 20:40 UTC 2001 |
Speaking as someone who has already cleaned up in excess of *100* starting
porn sites on Grex over the years, I can personally attest to the fact that
port idiots WILL sprout up on Grex, and have already. They don't bother to test
whether it will work here or not, before FTPing vast sums of pictures. Thus
I must take issue with #29's "Don't worry about it". I do worry about it and
know that on Grex at least, it is an issue. If we ever allow pictures to be
served from here we will always be on the lookout for porn folks.
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keesan
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response 36 of 69:
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Nov 8 20:49 UTC 2001 |
Paul, thanks for trying to help. Apparently Nettamer, Arachne, Lynx and
Skipper cannot handle whatever HTML geocities is requiring. I see things like
'not yet implemented' rather than what I ought to see.
Apparently a non-paying grex account cannot ftp files to elsewhere -
permission denied.
I just checked out the Clarkson ftp program. I type ftp ftp.geocities.com
as instructed and it connects. I then type binary (it freezes up but I can
exit from it with Ctl-Break). I then type put plus the path and file name
on my computer and it thinks they are in my geocities acocunt (cannot find
/sindijim/e:/images/gifs/keesan.gif. I try put
file:///e:\images\gifs\keesan.gif and it tells me 'cannot open file to
transfer'. I suspect I do not know how to use ftp so please help!!!!
(I also had to enter geocities id and password a while back).
I tried mput (whatever that is) with no results - it freezes again.
I try typing just put and it asks me file: etc.
I used Nettamer and followed instructions for uploading a binary file and it
would not upload, I forget why.
I will go check out mnet for images and ftp.
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dunne
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response 37 of 69:
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Nov 8 21:01 UTC 2001 |
#36
> I then type put plus the path
> and file name on my computer and it thinks they are in my geocities
> acocunt (cannot find /sindijim/e:/images/gifs/keesan.gif. I try put
> file:///e:\images\gifs\keesan.gif and it tells me 'cannot open file
> to transfer'. I suspect I do not know how to use ftp so please help!!!!
Yes, this is your problem! ftp is a bit naive about pathnames. So,
cd into the directory which contains the files you want to upload --
either use "lcd pathname" within ftp, or change to that directory
before you start ftp (I think DOS has the concept of "current working
directory"). When you use put, you should be giving it just the filename.
Well actually, you can type "put pathname remotename", where pathname is
the full path that you've been using, and remote name is just the filename
you want geocities to use -- that *should* work, but I haven't tried it;
you can if my other suggestion doesn't work.
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keesan
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response 38 of 69:
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Nov 8 22:21 UTC 2001 |
Ftp worked. I dialed the ISP. Switched to the subdirectory containing the
gifs. Ran ftp by typing the pathname before the command name
(c:\directory\ftp). Typed i (which for Kermit sets it to binary) and it told
me something about interactive mode - what is that? Typed bin and it set
things to binary mode. Typed put and the filename. A 15K file transferred
in just a few seconds. With Netscape, on the rare occasions that it works,
it takes forever. Can I upload using filenames with ? or * in them so as to
give one command to upload many files at once?
I have 10M in my geocities account and am willing to post small images for
other grexers there (up to 70K per grexer) that they email to me.
I will now go use lynx 2.8.2 (newlynx) to move two gifs into a subdirectory
at geocities and edit my index.html to link it to them. And then edit my home
page on grex to link to the same files.
Geocities did not bother answering when I wrote about ftp not working.
I can also take jpg photos of local grexers who want to use them at their
webpages. 640x480, 16M colors. Smile!
Why did Drew and Mark want images at grex?
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blaise
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response 39 of 69:
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Nov 8 22:38 UTC 2001 |
To transfer multiple files at once using ? and *, you need to use the
mput/mget commands. (mget filespec transfers all files matching filespec from
the remote computer to your local computer, while mput filespec transfers all
files matching filespec from your local computer to the remote computer.)
Most FTP programs will prompt you about each file when using mget/mput; to
prevent that, use the command "prompt off".
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keesan
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response 40 of 69:
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Nov 8 22:47 UTC 2001 |
Thanks, you answered two of my questions at one time. Ftp turns out to be
quite a bit faster and easier to use than the editor at geocities. I wish
I could just move files around and rename and delete them at geocities with
commands instead of having to click on their menu choices. But they don't
offer a telnet option, just ftp (I think).
You can see my site (complete with blank lines and periods in the wrong
places) at www.geocities.com/sindijim. Created mostly using lynx at grex (but
at one point I went to the library and wrote up the commentary there, and most
of the files were uploaded the slow way, with Netscape).
Is it worth putting into the instructions for creating home pages on grex that
you can also use free webspace at geocities and other locations? (Which other
ones actually work? The first two I tried never sent back confirmation
emails.) The tricky part is to download and view the mystery word during
registration. Easier to go to the library and use a graphical browser.
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pthomas
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response 41 of 69:
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Nov 8 23:30 UTC 2001 |
35: And allowing images would change this...how? Don't publicise that you
allow images, that's just asking for trouble. We don't.
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mdw
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response 42 of 69:
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Nov 8 23:45 UTC 2001 |
So you are asserting that m-net, a very popular site which allows web
images, never has any problems with porn?
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pthomas
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response 43 of 69:
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Nov 8 23:55 UTC 2001 |
I never made any such assertions. Furthermore, if we have had problems
with pornography, I am unaware of them. Generally our disk quotas are low
enough that users cannot feasibly run a porn site with more than a few
images.
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jp2
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response 44 of 69:
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Nov 9 00:39 UTC 2001 |
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pthomas
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response 45 of 69:
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Nov 9 00:46 UTC 2001 |
I agree, but it could open up liability issues (think AFA.)
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jp2
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response 46 of 69:
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Nov 9 01:32 UTC 2001 |
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pthomas
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response 47 of 69:
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Nov 9 02:13 UTC 2001 |
Never underestimate the stupidity of the AFA. They could cook up
something, I'm sure, or at least get the IRS to investigate us. I can
imagine their "Action Alert" - "Federally sanctioned nonprofit
organisation purveyor of porn! Write IRS to get them to revoke nonprofit
status!"
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carson
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response 48 of 69:
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Nov 9 05:17 UTC 2001 |
If I recall correctly, M-Net has the advantage of being able to enforce
disk quotas through software, as opposed to relying on the vigilance of
its staff.
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pthomas
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response 49 of 69:
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Nov 9 13:17 UTC 2001 |
Why couldn't Grex implement a similar system?
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remmers
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response 50 of 69:
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Nov 9 13:56 UTC 2001 |
Too much resource overhead on the current hardware. We should
be able to when we move to new hardware.
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jp2
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response 51 of 69:
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Nov 9 14:58 UTC 2001 |
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steve
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response 52 of 69:
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Nov 9 21:04 UTC 2001 |
No, it doesn't. It's rock solid. It does its job very very well,
and because of its stability and staff's efforts we've not had serious
security breaches on quite some time.
SunOS is old however, and shows signs of that here and there. Disk
quotas are one example. There are others, which is why we'll be moving
to OpenBSD at some point. But have respect for SunOS: its one hell of
a good OS. It just isn't modern anymore.
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other
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response 53 of 69:
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Nov 9 21:26 UTC 2001 |
Not that I want to side with Jamie or anything like that, Steve, but in
HIS world, SunOS does blow goats.
Whether or not that is the case in anyone else's world is not the
question at hand, and disputing him on the point will only aggravate you.
Don't waste your effort explaining the values of a good thing to someone
who only knows from bad things.
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cross
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response 54 of 69:
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Nov 9 21:56 UTC 2001 |
Actually, SunOS does suck. Reliability shouldn't be the sole metric
by which an OS is judged; we should also consider design elegance,
performance, adaptability to different tasks, and etc. See, for an
introduction to some of the problems in SunOS's design, the following
paper: http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/doc/taste.pdf. Granted it's
somewhat dated, but many of the problems pointed out are fundamental
and never really got solved. Perhaps equally amazing is how the `Unix'
community carries forward these mistakes like some sort of red-badge-of-
courage-esque symbol of commitment to their roots. Funny for a system
whose malleability and reaction to change was its greatest strength.
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mdw
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response 55 of 69:
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Nov 9 22:37 UTC 2001 |
The problems he describes aren't unique to, or even particularly
associated with SunOS. Virtually the identical complaints could have
been made about Linux. Perhaps the real culprits are the Japanese; by
making memory so cheap, they've encouraged sloppy programming.
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cross
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response 56 of 69:
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Nov 9 23:00 UTC 2001 |
The problems are, as you say, indemic to Unix variants. I should note
that I also happen to think that Linux not only sucks, but *really*
sucks; hence my comments about carrying forward the legacy and so on.
I think you should blame Shannon.
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keesan
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response 57 of 69:
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Nov 9 23:32 UTC 2001 |
Is there a big difference between allowing only paying members to post images
on grex, and allowing only paying members outgoing ftp access which you need
to post images at a free website from grex? Is this not equally
discriminatory?
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