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nharmon
response 33 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 18:59 UTC 2006

Hamas was never the same without him.
tod
response 34 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 19:26 UTC 2006

Hamas was staffed by a bunch of old celebrities.  
happyboy
response 35 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 19:53 UTC 2006

so that's why they all look like ron jeremy!
tod
response 36 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 20:04 UTC 2006

Hogwarts wasn't just for kids!
klg
response 37 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 20:10 UTC 2006

(I stated that the UN partitioned the remainder of the land, after Gr 
Brit had already given 75% of the mandatory area to the Hashemites.)
tod
response 38 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 20:18 UTC 2006

And the land was Ottoman before that...and before that what...
I mean, how far back do you have to go in order to justify that Palestine was
anything but extortion to appease terrorists?
nharmon
response 39 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 20:22 UTC 2006

klg, I might be wrong but I do not believe Great Britain did any
partitioning.
cross
response 40 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 21:15 UTC 2006

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tod
response 41 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 21:23 UTC 2006

So did the USA! They call it NY.
nharmon
response 42 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 21:23 UTC 2006

But that was unsuccessful, right?
nharmon
response 43 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 21:23 UTC 2006

41 slipped.
twenex
response 44 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 21:54 UTC 2006

Well that depends on your definition of "unsuccessful". Are you "unsuccessful"
if you don't even try?
nharmon
response 45 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 22:14 UTC 2006

Yes. Unsuccessful is a lack of success. Not trying means you did not
achieve success.
mcnally
response 46 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 22:24 UTC 2006

 What if you failed to achieve success in becoming successful,
 but successfully applied your efforts towards the process of
 attaining one's goal of successfulness? 
tod
response 47 of 57: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 22:39 UTC 2006

Then you are an unsuccessful underachiever!
klg
response 48 of 57: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 02:01 UTC 2006

As I said, the British created (Trans)Jordan with the bulk of mandatory
Palestine.  Then, after the war, with what was left over, the British
dumped it on the UN, which voted to create a Jewish state and an Arab
state.
sj2
response 49 of 57: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 06:15 UTC 2006

You might find this interesting to read:

The United States and the Recognition of Israel: A Chronology
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/israel/palestin.htm

I am posting some interesting reads from the chronology:
1. August 24, 1945: Loy Henderson, director of the State Department's
Near East Agency, writes to Secretary of State James Byrnes that the
United States would lose its moral prestige in the Middle East if it
supported Jewish aspirations in Palestine.
Comment: Wow!! So at one point in history, US was opposed to a Jewish
state?

2. August 24, 1945: The report of the Intergovernment Committee on
Refugees, called the Harrison Report, is presented to President Truman.
The report is very critical of the treatment by Allied forces of
refugees, particularly Jewish refugees, in Germany.
Comment: Hmmmm ..... So Nazis weren't the only ones who hated Jews.

3. April 20, 1946: The Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry submits its
report, which recommends that Britain immediately authorize the
admission of 100,000 Jews into Palestine.
Comment: Move and make a nation.

4. February 14, 1947: The British government announces that it will
refer the problem of the future of Palestine to the United Nations.
Comment: What problem? The one created by migrating 100,000 Jews to
Palestine?

5. August 31, 1947: The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine
issues its report, which recommends unanimously (all 11 member states
voting in favor) that Great Britain terminate their mandate for
Palestine and grant it independence at the earliest possible date; and
which also recommends by majority vote (7 of the member nations voting
in favor) that Palestine be partitioned into Jewish and Arab states.
Comment: Great!! So other countries get to decide what happens to your
nation. Did anyone ask Palestinians if they'd rather share the a single
nation with jews? Or, did anyone ask the Palestinians if they are ok
with their nation being partitioned into two and one half given away to
Jews?

6. September 17, 1947: Secretary of State George Marshall, in an address
to the United Nations, indicates that the United States is reluctant to
endorse the partition of Palestine.
Comment: US is still against the Jewish nation. I wonder why and what
caused the eventual volte face?

7. October 11, 1947: Herschel Johnson, United States deputy
representative on the United Nations Security Council, announces United
States support for the partition plan of the United Nations Special
Committee on Palestine.
Comment: Secretary of State George Marshall, Loy Henderson, director the
State Department's Near East Agency and The Joint Chiefs of Staff argue
against the creation of Israel. So who's arguing for it in the
administration?

8. October 17, 1947: President Truman writes to Senator Claude Pepper:
"I received about 35,000 pieces of mail and propaganda from the Jews in
this country while this matter [the issue of the partition of Palestine,
which was being considered by the United Nations Special Committee on
Palestine from May 13, 1947 to August 31, 1947] was pending. I put it
all in a pile and struck a match to it -- I never looked at a single one
of the letters because I felt the United Nations Committee [United
Nations Special Committee on Palestine] was acting in a judicial
capacity and should not be interfered with."
Comment: Struck a match to people's opinion? Ouch!! That ought to hurt!!

9. November 29, 1947: The United Nations General Assembly approves the
partition plan for Palestine put forward by the United Nations Special
Committee on Palestine. The 1947 UN Partition divided the area into
three entities: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone
around Jerusalem.
Comment: So why is Israel occupying Palestine land now? They did get
their own nation carved out of Palestinian land and now they go ahead
and grab more of Palestinian land. To top it all, they were moved by
Britain into Palestine without any invitation/approval by Palestinians.

10. December 2, 1947: President Truman writes to former Secretary of the
Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr., encouraging him to tell his Jewish
friends that it is time for restraint and caution. "The vote in the
U.N.," Truman wrote, "is only the beginning and the Jews must now
display tolerance and consideration for the other people in Palestine
with whom they will necessarily have to be neighbors."
Comment: tolerance and consideration == One friggin wall

11. March 21, 1948: President Truman writes to his sister Mary Jane
Truman that the "striped pants conspirators" in the State Department had
"completely balled up the Palestine situation." But, he writes, "it may
work out anyway in spite of them."
Comment: Someone is clueless. Guess who.

12. March 22, 1948: President Truman writes to his brother Vivian Truman
regarding Palestine: "I think the proper thing to do, and the thing I
have been doing, is to do what I think is right and let them all go to
hell."
Comment: Righto boss. Spoken like a true cowboy!!

13.  May 14, 1948: late morning eastern standard time (late afternoon in
Palestine): David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, reads a
"Declaration of Independence," which proclaims the existence of a Jewish
state called Israel beginning on May 15, 1948, at 12:00 midnight
Palestine time (6:00 p.m., May 14, 1948,eastern standard time).

May 14, 1948, 6 p.m. eastern standard time (12:00 midnight in
Palestine): The British mandate for Palestine expires, and the state of
Israel comes into being.

May 14, 1948, 6:11 p.m. eastern standard time: The United States
recognizes Israel on a de facto basis. The White House issues the
following statement: "This Government has been informed that a Jewish
state has been proclaimed in Palestine, and recognition has been
requested by the provisional government thereof. The United States
recognizes the provisional government as the de facto authority of the
State of Israel." To see a color copy of this document click here. 

Comment: Seems like lots happened behind the scenes and its off-limits
even sixty years later.

14. May 14, 1948, shortly after 6:11 p.m. eastern standard time: United
States representative to the United Nations Warren Austin leaves his
office at the United Nations and goes home. Secretary of State Marshall
sends a State Department official to the United Nations to prevent the
entire United States delegation from resigning.
Comment: We are not happy.

15. May 15, 1948: On May 15, 1948, the Arab states issued their response
statement and Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq attack Israel.
Comment: One BIG wrong move. 
klg
response 50 of 57: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 12:13 UTC 2006

ing Lies - Debunking Lies - Debunking Lies - Debunking Lies - Debunking 


1.  It is utterly stupid to say that the US policy is set by a director 
in the State Dept.

3.  What the heck was "The Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry?"

4.  I suppose your preference is that they should have died in the 
ovens.

5.  Learn something.  There was no "nation."  It was an area formerly 
controlled by the Ottomans.  In fact, no real nation existed there 
since the Jews were exiled in the 1st century.

9.  There is no "palestinian land," dimwit.  It was land that the 
British took over from the Ottomans.  Before 1948, the "palestinians" 
were the Jews there, by the way.

10.  And your alternative is for the Jews to lay down and die.  The 
ones that didn't die in the ovens, that is.


Lies - Debunking Lies - Debunking Lies - Debunking Lies - Debunking Lies

nharmon
response 51 of 57: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 13:01 UTC 2006

It is okay, klg, even those of us with limited knowledge on the subject
(like me) see through the lies in #49.
sj2
response 52 of 57: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 16:13 UTC 2006

Lies? Did you miss the link on the top of the post? That comes from the
"Truman Presidential Museum and Library". Talk about sticking your head
in the sand.
tod
response 53 of 57: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 17:10 UTC 2006

re #50
I agree with most of what you said, especially
 5.  Learn something.  There was no "nation."  It was an area formerly
 controlled by the Ottomans.  In fact, no real nation existed there
 since the Jews were exiled in the 1st century.

re #52
"Truman" by David McCullough is very revealing about how really ugly it was
to convince anyone on Israel.  Truman was completely against it until finally
his longtime childhood friend and former business partner (also Jewish)
convinced him how important a homeland would be for Jews.  It was one of those
"this transcends politics" decisions and I wouldn't be surprised if it also
was a spiritual mission for Truman to get past the nuclear bombings.
gull
response 54 of 57: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 01:14 UTC 2006

Re resp:50: There is no #2? 
klg
response 55 of 57: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 01:31 UTC 2006

Duh, congratulations.  You noticed that I don't have time to respond to
each and every idiocy.
gull
response 56 of 57: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 06:22 UTC 2006

Yeah, we feel the same way about your posts.
wilt
response 57 of 57: Mark Unseen   May 16 23:52 UTC 2006

HACKED BY GNAA LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL
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