response 33 of 127:

Jun 11 18:57 UTC 2000

Our target audience feels pretty familiar with the word "cyberspace";
they have some pretty positive feelings about "cyberspace"; they know
how to spell "cyberspace"; they have some slightly-correct ideas about
what they'll find at a place called "cyberspace"; etc.; etc.

For all our target audience knows, feels, or can guess, "grex" is a
colo-rectal surgury institute in Nepal.

We don't have money to waste on internally-targeted scratch-our-own-egos
"advertising".  We can hardly fantasize about being able to afford to 
make "grex" a household word through a radio/TV/newspaper/etc. ad
campaign. 

response 35 of 127:

Jun 11 19:18 UTC 2000

re 31 - sure everyone knows what "cyberspace" is but they still don't
associate it with that which is Grex.  Personally, I think it's a meaningless
buzzword.  I'd wager that people would be MORE likely to visit "Grex.org" than
"cyberspace.org", if only out of curiousity.

response 37 of 127:

Jun 11 19:33 UTC 2000

what type of audience do you want to attract?
'grex' is for audiences who'd chime to words like 'gulag', 'wicca', and
'analog'.
folks who'd jive to 'cyberspace' would jive to 'cyanide', 'protoss', and
'digital'.
among other distinctions.

response 39 of 127:

Jun 11 20:08 UTC 2000

I'm still supposed to make flyers right?

response 41 of 127:

Jun 11 20:49 UTC 2000

Just as an aside, the final look and wording of the project, not to mention
the medium, will be determined not by vote, but by the wishes of the people
who give the money to make it happen, and by those who take charge of the
project.

Anyone else, feel free to promote Grex in whatever ways you wish.  If Grex
doesn't agree with your choice, we can disavow it, but we likely can't stop
you unless you violate the law or the rights of the corporate organization.

That being said, I agree that the temple logo and the words "cyberspace.org"
would be ideal, though I would add another line with "modems at 734/761-3000"
or "or dial-in to 734/761-3000".

Note:  the temple logo has the words "Electronic Town Hall" under it.  I
suggest retaining that verbage as part of the logo, in case anyone was
considering otherwise.


Who designed the logo and (presumably) has the best camera-ready or .eps copy
of it, and would that person please forward it to me for TOP?  Thanks.

response 43 of 127:

Jun 11 22:01 UTC 2000

re 42 - I never disputed that it's not a word in the English dictionary.

re 41 - I feel like your response was directed at me, and that you basically
said you don't give a rats ass about my opinion.

response 45 of 127:

Jun 11 22:14 UTC 2000

I have always preferred cyberspace.org, and will venture to say that it may
have been a mistake for us ever to allow access via grex.org - it has just
confused things.

Re #41: ajax designed the logo, but I don't know if he still has the best
copy of it.  I would ask Valerie.

response 47 of 127:

Jun 11 22:25 UTC 2000

oh well.  I wonder what it would cost if the logo is in all the colors it
shows up in on the webpage...

response 49 of 127:

Jun 12 00:55 UTC 2000

cyberspace.org is a wonderful name.  I'm jealous that you guys have it.  You
should use it as much as possible.  (I'm not at all jealous of the name
"grex," which sounds like an all-natural breakfast cereal or something a frog
would say.)

response 53 of 127:

Jun 12 06:15 UTC 2000

  I like frisbees. Greek logo in the center and cyberspace.org around the
logo. No one throws frisbees away. Just my 2 cents.

  There is a diner that gives all thier kids meals in frisbees. It has
a logo and a slogan that says "Have a Diner Day" along with thier URL.
 http://www.redarrowdiner.com

response 55 of 127:

Jun 12 20:30 UTC 2000

  I'd think twice about giving away promotional frisbees (or "flying discs",
  as they're supposed to be called, lest we invoke the wrath of the trademark
  holder..)

  I remember the ACM SIGGRAPH '87 conference in Atlanta.  "Flying discs"
  were one of the fashionable promotional trinkets that year, and several
  of the companies who were exhibiting at the show were giving them away.
  Several also had hospitality suites at the fancy hotel nearest the
  convention center, which happened to be the Marriott Marquis.  The dominant
  architectural feature of the Marriott Marquis is a large central atrium
  which rises all the way to the top of the hotel -- more than ten stories
  I think..  You can imagine that the hotel management was not happy with
  companies that served wine and beer to their guests and then turned the
  slightly tipsy computer programmers out into the hundred-foot-high atrium
  with a plentiful supply of cheap promotional frisbees.  More than a few
  plummetted to the lobby, seemingly at or near terminal frisbee velocity,
  and a big stink was made as buzz-killing hotel employees were instructed
  to seize any frisbees spotted from the computer geeks, who naturally
  became indignant..

  Anyways, my point is that frisbees aren't necessarily the best thing to
  distribute at a high-spirited, high-density gathering like Top of the Park.
  It's substantially harder to commit accidental mayhem with a refrigerator
  magnet, and they're probably a lot more affordable, too..  Put me down for
  $20 if the magnet plan ever gets to the production stage.