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goose
response 300 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 02:36 UTC 2003

Your first bit of news is really horrible Eric, I'm very sorry to hear it.
Steve was a former Grex user (maybe M-Net, I forget the timeframe).
I knew Steve a bit and bought some audio equipment from him a few years ago.
He had extremely talented ears and was a very nice guy willing to share his
vast knowlege in the audio field.  He was responsible for the tone of WUOM
and to my ears is one of the best sounding FM stations out there, mostly due
to his hard work.  
other
response 301 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 02:50 UTC 2003

I once called up and asked him for a notch filter because I lived too 
close to the WQKL tower to be able to get WUOM on my radio, and he dug 
one out of his desk and sent it to me by campus mail.  When I saw him 
late last week, I mentioned that I guess I should give it back in case 
someone else needed it...  :(
tsty
response 302 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 04:26 UTC 2003

if true, this is 2nd engr to pass on this way ...
... *recently**...
tsty
response 303 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 04:42 UTC 2003

the other  eWUOM engineer i knew (who got a royal screwing
from the "establishment") was James Paffenbarger.   
  
this makes two in a row. wazup wid dat? 
  
i'd mention a too-much-influence naem of a person probably
responsible but the ppl's republic would react with
too much shock and awe .... those closet bushies.
tod
response 304 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 05:01 UTC 2003

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dah
response 305 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 11:22 UTC 2003

You know, leading Scientists say that people who talk to people soon to commit
suicide, and "don't get [no] clues" are usually wrong.  They did get clues
and just didn't pay enough attention to the PSTCS.
cmcgee
response 306 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 11:41 UTC 2003

hogwash.
johnnie
response 307 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 14:42 UTC 2003

Well, there are clues, but nothing so obvious that you're going to pick 
it up in a ten-minute conversation.  And even if you're around the 
potential suicide on a regular basis, the clues may be too subtle to 
understand except *maybe* in retrospect.  
aruba
response 308 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 15:00 UTC 2003

Yeah, dah's post is bullshit.  There is no way to read someone's mind.  The
kind of clues he's talking about are probably about as accurate a predicter
of the future as the daily horoscope.
rcurl
response 309 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 15:05 UTC 2003

Would you please identify a couple of the leading Scientists you cite in
#305, dah?

I'm inclined to think johnnie and aruba are right. There are probably
more instances of the same kind of clues from people that do not commit
suicide. 
cmcgee
response 310 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 16:59 UTC 2003

If "clues" could tell you who was or was not going to commit suicide, no one
under the care of a therapist would ever do so.  Their therapist would see
the "clues" and take appropriate steps.  

One of the few remaining ways to have someone committed to a mental facility
is if they are a threat to themselves.  It is still illegal to commit suicide
in Michigan, and anyone who knows that someone is going to attempt it is
legally required to report this to the police.  If "clues" were really
diagnostic, there'd be a lot fewer suicides.
 
tod
response 311 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 17:02 UTC 2003

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dah
response 312 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 21:38 UTC 2003

307: If you pay attention to people, which I and others do, you can often
grasp much more beyon what's directly said.

309: I heard it on the radio and don't remember the names.

310: Not all therapists pay enough attention to their patients.  As well,
they're just clues; they're, you're right, not diagnostic; and that's, of
course, conmbined with the limited steps a therapist can take to prevent
suicide based simply on apparently lack evidence.
mary
response 313 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 22:03 UTC 2003

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MICHAEL!
      -A Fan
albaugh
response 314 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 03:37 UTC 2003

IWLTA that the Detroit Shock, the local WNBA team, beat LA in the deciding
game 3 at the Palace to become champs of 2003.  This represented a complete
turnaround from worst team in the league last year to first this year.

In a bit of "history repeating", the Shock's coach Bill Laimbeer, once of
Piston fame, on a team that kept the LA Lakers from 3-peating, defeated LA
Sparks coach Michael Cooper, of that very Lakers team, thus keeping the Sparks
from 3-peating.
lynne
response 315 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 14:37 UTC 2003

re 312:  Yeah.  How many attempted suicides have you prevented then?  And 
while you're at it, proofread your comments before posting.
re 313:  Who's Michael?
dah
response 316 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 15:25 UTC 2003

I've never had anyone with whom I've interacted commit suicide.
mynxcat
response 317 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 15:28 UTC 2003

I have. But that was a cpl of years before he actualyl did commit suicide.
remmers
response 318 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 16:46 UTC 2003

Re #315 re #313:  Michael Delizia (md) presumably.
anderyn
response 319 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 18:32 UTC 2003

I have, and while I could see that they were depressed, I would never have
thought they would commit suicide. The people who WERE worried about that did
talk to the person about it, and were assured that it was not going to happen,
several times (including that person's best friend, husband, and therapist).
I talked to the person on the day they committed suicide and I'll swear that
they sounded tired, but not any different than any other day -- so you can
imagine I've combed my thoughts a thousand times to see if there was any way
I could have heard it... because I would have done anything I could to have
stopped it, if I'd known.
slynne
response 320 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 00:51 UTC 2003

re suicide. Even if you can see it coming, you cant always prevent it. 
mcnally
response 321 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 08:21 UTC 2003

  I would like to announce that I've arrived safely back in Alaska after
  spending the last 10 days in a 26 foot boat travelling from Ketchikan
  down to Anacortes, Washington.

  I had a fantastic time and if I ever get caught up everything else I've
  been meaning to take care of I'll post an edited version of my trip log
  as an item in fall Agora.
slynne
response 322 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 09:18 UTC 2003

Oh wow. That sounds like a really fun thing to do. 
goose
response 323 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 19:38 UTC 2003

I'd love to hear about the trip Mike.
mcnally
response 324 of 335: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 02:10 UTC 2003

  I'll definitely post something when I've had a chance to sort out my
  impressions into something coherent.
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