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mynxcat
response 30 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 17:13 UTC 2003

You don't water it, you have unsightly dry grass
scott
response 31 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 17:34 UTC 2003

Just cover the lawn with plastic to keep the rain off, and you'll greatly
reduce mowings.  Eventually you won't need to mow at all.  ;)
gull
response 32 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 21:10 UTC 2003

Unsightly dry grass is the price we pay for trying to grow northern
European lawn grasses in places they weren't meant to live.
gelinas
response 33 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 23:16 UTC 2003

I've let my lawn go wild.  I'd rather it were native, but I'll take what I
can get.
slynne
response 34 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 00:55 UTC 2003

I have let a good chunk of my yard go wild. It looks better every year.
rcurl
response 35 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 05:28 UTC 2003

Dry grass is a lovely brown color, as attractive as green. And it doesn't
require mowing or anything else. It revives every year too, when wet
weather comes again. 

I also let my grass go wild. There are a lot of interersting tiny flowers
in it in the spring, and something other than grass has taken over under
the trees, apparently better adapted to permanent shade. The one thing I
do do annually, is "superseed" - just reseed the whole lawn in the spring. 
This fills in between the non-grass plants very nicely.

keesan
response 36 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 05:35 UTC 2003

My yard is mostly creeping willie. Grass needs sun.
What does wild yard consist of in Ypsi?
slynne
response 37 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 13:44 UTC 2003

I dont mow about 50% of my back yard. All kinds of wildflowers are 
growing there now. I dont know what kinds
void
response 38 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 20:28 UTC 2003

   Since lawn grass came here from France, I've been waiting for the
freedom fries/freedom toast crowd to rip up their lawns, send the sod
to France, and plant their yards with native ground cover.
jaklumen
response 39 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 08:04 UTC 2003

resp:35 Lovely brown?  Oookkay.

resp:38 Xeroscaping?  Not a bad idea, actually.  Said to conserve 
water.
janc
response 40 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 11:44 UTC 2003

What is "creeping willie"?  We search shows nothing by that name.
scott
response 41 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 12:46 UTC 2003

"Creeping Charlie", perhaps.
slynne
response 42 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 14:53 UTC 2003

Yeah, I have lots of "creeping charlie" in my backyard. I figured that 
is what she meant since it is so common here. 
gelinas
response 43 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 15:54 UTC 2003

"Creeping Charlie is the bane of many lawn enthusiasts, because it tends
to grow no matter what you do to stop it. It has small, scalloped,
dark green leaves that may turn red or purple in full sunlight,
and grows in long stems along the ground. Flowers are purplish
to blue. You can make positive identification by breaking a stem,
which is square in cross-section, identifying it as a type of mint"
(http://www.riverwestcurrents.org/2002/November/000254.html).

It'd probably annoy the neighbors as much violets would, and more than
the current crop does.
slynne
response 44 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 16:53 UTC 2003

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slynne
response 45 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 16:54 UTC 2003

I have heard that putting that "20 mule team borax" on the lawn kills 
creeping charlie. You just have to be careful not to overdo it. 
Personally, I think it looks cool and I am happy that it is taking over 
the lawn.
remmers
response 46 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 16:55 UTC 2003

Are your neighbors thrilled as well?
rcurl
response 47 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 18:21 UTC 2003

Yes, what's wrong with Creeping Charlie? It grows better than grass under our
trees, and I really like seeing its flowers. Also, why should the neighbors
care" It doesn't create airborne seeds like dandelions - it just....creeps.
slynne
response 48 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 19:36 UTC 2003

Well, I havent asked my neighbors what they think of the "creeping 
charlie" in my lawn. I dont see why they should mind. It is *my* lawn 
after all. I also decided this year that I didnt have enough dandelions 
so I got a bunch of the ones that had gone to seed (while out walking 
the dogs) and then blew them all over my lawn. It didnt work though. I 
must not have the right conditions for dandelions. 
mary
response 49 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 20:05 UTC 2003

I'd think the reason they might mind is that it's a very
invasive plant.  If all your neighbors wanted to have it 
throughout their lawn, gardens and flowerbeds, no problem.
But when you intentionally allow it to thrive and don't
contain it on your property, then you're maybe giving
them a problem.   Just because you like it doesn't mean
everyone else does or should.

Do you make any attempt to keep it on your property?
slynne
response 50 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 20:47 UTC 2003

No. But I think I have a right to grow anything on my property that I 
want to. I mean why should their desire to not have this plant trump my 
desire to have it? Especially since they can get rid of it in their 
yard if they dont like it. Anyway, none of my neighbors have 
complained. If they did complain, I guess I would consider putting 
borax around the perimeter if they were nice about it. That would 
probably contain the creeping charlie. Cant help them about the flowers 
with airborne seeds though. I think that is how some of my wild flowers 
seed. I enjoy those flowers too much to get rid of them. 

One time when some friends and I rented a house, one of the neighbors 
complained about the dandelions in the yard. They wanted us to put 
chemicals on the yard but I didnt want to because I would rather have 
dandelions. I pulled the dandelions but that wasnt enough for them but 
that is all I was willing to do. Those neighbors were always mean to us 
anyway. We never should have bothered with the dandelions especially 
since dandelions are beautiful. 
sno
response 51 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 21:04 UTC 2003

Not allowed to grow anything on your property.  The ramifications of
doing so with certain plants is obvious.

I guess using good judgement about what you allow to grow should also
be tempered by a "good neighbor" policy.  Otherwise, irate neighbors
will absolutely have property values affected, and some may be 
inspired to vigilante-ism.  Seems like being a contrarian is a great
way to build a consensus against you.

JM2C.
slynne
response 52 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 21:30 UTC 2003

Aside from marijuana, I cant think of any plants that are actually 
illegal. I dont see any harm in growing wildflowers and such on my 
property. It's only the back yard that I let grow wild. But, I checked 
with the city and I am not violating any ordinances. They do have an 
ordinance that says that a person cannot have "weeds" in their yard. I 
asked them what they consider a weed and what they consider a flower. 
They said, "a weed is something you dont want there, therefore if you 
want it there, it isnt a weed" The ordinance only applies to "weeds" 
that are above a certain height though. Once that creeping charlie does 
it work and chokes out all the grass back there, I wont have to worry 
about it because this stuff just grows low to the ground. 

There are only 7 houses on my block. One is for sale so no one lives 
there and the other is owned by a guy who collects cars and has a band 
that has loud practices. I have kind of a deal with the car collector. 
He doesnt complain about my dogs barking or my yard and I dont complain 
about his cars or his band. I am worried that someone will move into 
the house between us who cares about such things. I will deal with that 
if it happens. One of the other houses has a yard that is all weeds but 
they mow it sometimes. The other 4 are rentals as far as I know. They 
dont really have yards, they have parking lots so I dont imagine they 
are worried about the weeds from my yard. 

I generally believe in "good neighbor" policy. But only to a point. I 
dont believe in chemical weed killers for instance. I also have to say, 
though, that it is not really being a "good neighbor" to go bitch about 
plants a person has in their yard. Or their paint color. Or their 
window treatments. Or the political signs they have in the yard. etc. 
My parents have neighbors that do that. They get bitchy about 
everything that all the neighbors do. They dont like the dogs off 
leash. They dont like that people let their yards go wild. They dont 
like the 30 broken tractors a neighbor keeps (even though they were 
there when they moved in). They dont like the new siding on one 
neighbor's house. *shrug* I guess there are just a lot of folks who are 
overly concerned with what their neighbors are doing. 

So, yes, if one of my neighbors didnt like my plants, I would be 
accomodating to a point. I would pull things like dandelions and those 
pretty blue flowers that I dont know the name for but I wouldnt get rid 
of the creeping charlie. I would put borax around the perimeter though 
which probably would keep it from going off my property. But, I would 
think very low of the person. I have to admit, I would think of them as 
being very rude. 
gelinas
response 53 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 21:40 UTC 2003

(MY only concern was the plants growing beyond the perimeter.  BTW, a web site
I found on creeping charlie noted that borax is not approved as a herbicide.
That may have been only in their state, though.)
slynne
response 54 of 190: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 22:24 UTC 2003

Just out of curiosity, I took a look at my neighbors yards. It seems 
like the plant that has been most invasive is the grapes. I guess 
animals eat the grapes and then poop the seeds. There are grape vines 
growing all over the place in the yards on both sides of me. Oh well. 
The grape vines have been here longer than this house (which was built 
in 1925). I am not going to get rid of them. 
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