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janc
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response 30 of 53:
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Jul 17 16:37 UTC 1998 |
Jan's Guide to Mystery:
I'm really more of a Science Fiction fan than a mystery fan, so I like
really good world-building. Most mystery seems like just yet another
detective and yet another dead body. Basically grim stuff. I want an
expertly guided tour though a new world, with likable characters showing
the way, a plot that is more than a throwaway, and not too much
shear nastiness.
- Dick Francis - I'm not sure if I really like his characters - they seem
a bit inhumane to me, like Ayn Rand characters. Otherwise, high scores
on all points.
- Arthur Upfield - Written in the 1930s through 1950s, these have a half-
aborigine police detective solving mysteries in Austrialia's outback.
The hero operates by completely immersing himself in the community where
the crime occurred and observing in detail, looking for the ripples
that must spread from a murder, building up a case from nothing. A
wonderful character, great plots, and an amazing background.
- Ellis Peters - Brother Caedfal is a 13th century monk in a time of war
and intrigue. A loving recreation of a time I didn't previously know
was interesting. Though the stories might appear to be murder mysteries,
they are usually really love stories in disguise.
- Joan Hess - An apathetic police chief watches over her tiny home town
of Maggody, Arkansas, which is populated by numerous eccentrics. The
plots can be a bit contrived, but the humor makes up for it.
Curiously Joan Hess and Ellis Peters each have other series of books which
I find perfectly tedious. Peters and Upfield are sadly deceased, so there
will be no more from my two favorite authors. Too bad.
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krj
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response 31 of 53:
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Jul 17 17:15 UTC 1998 |
I share some of Jan's interest in world-building mysteries, so
I'll pass along a list of some I have enjoyed.
You may have to dig in the used shops for some of these:
Peter Dickinson: his earliest novels all featured the same detective,
whose name escapes me; a man of decidedly average talents who
stumbles into a series of murder cases in bizarre, closed mini-
societies. THE GLASS SIDED ANT'S NEST is set in a tribe of
aboriginal people who have been uprooted and relocated to a
group of London row houses. SLEEP AND HIS BROTHER is set in an
asylum for children suffering from a strange neurological disorder.
The last in the series, ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE, begins with the
detective, confined in a nursing home and suffering from dementia,
deciding to end his life; on the way to implement his decision
he stumbles over a corpse...
Dickinson stopped writing series but continues working in odd
worlds. KING & JOKER is set among the British Monarchy in an
alternate history.
James McClure: novels mostly written in the 1970s and set in South
Africa, pairing a white policeman and a black policeman.
Exceptionally high paranoia content.
William Marshall: best known for a series of police procedurals
written in the 70s and 80s (and some in the 90s) set in colonial
Hong Kong, in the fictitious run-down neighborhood of Yellowthread
Street. Marshall's stock story structure intercuts one pretty grim
mystery with a pair of sillier ones; the sillier stories come to
happy endings and the grim story proceeds to its ending in a
cinematic explosion of violence.
Lindsay Davis: has a series featuring a "private investigator" which
is set in Rome, 70 A.D.
Maj Sjowall & Per Wahloo: In a series of ten novels they set out to draw
portraits of contemporary Swedish society. I consider the
"Martin Beck" series to be the most artful mystery series I have read.
These should probably be read in order due to the slow-moving changes
in the detectives' lives which stretch through the series.
If you're looking for cheerfulness, the Martin Beck stories may not
be your cup of hemlock; I love the characters but most of the stories
are grim.
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atticus
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response 32 of 53:
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Jul 17 20:28 UTC 1998 |
(How about Umberto Eco's "The Name of the Rose"?)
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anderyn
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response 33 of 53:
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Jul 17 23:01 UTC 1998 |
I recommend Kate Ross's Regency mysteries. Alas, she died earlier this year,
with only four written, but they are the BEST mysteries I've read in a long
time. Ken, can I borrow that alternate history mystery?
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danr
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response 34 of 53:
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Jul 18 19:05 UTC 1998 |
Mysteries have always been a mystery to me. I've never really gotten
into them.
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remmers
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response 35 of 53:
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Jul 19 01:19 UTC 1998 |
I've been reading mysteries off and on for most of my adult life.
In fact, I've gone through periods of extreme addiction, although
nowadays I just read an occasional one.
In regards to mysteries with an exotic setting, don't think anybody's
mentioned Robert Van Gulik's "Judge Dee" series, in which the
protagonist is a provincial magistrate in medieval China. The
depiction of life and society at that time and place is fascinating.
Judge Dee was an actual historical character, and the first of
Gulik's Judge Dee books is a translation of an old Chinese stories
about him. The rest are Gulik's own creations.
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davel
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response 36 of 53:
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Jul 20 01:51 UTC 1998 |
I was going to mention the Judge Dee stories, too. I find them somewhat
frustrating, though. Quite interesting in many ways, a bit clumsy in others.
Too much pattern in the motives, for one thing.
I'd rank Tony Hillerman very high.
There are lots of mysteries I like very much. In general, though, I find that
the ones that mystery fans of various types like best are not all that
interesting to me. What Jan said generally applies to me, I think, allowing
for variations in taste ... & the fact that I haven't read most of the ones
he mentioned. (Little time for reading, these last few years. Jan is due
to have a lot less, shortly, too.) I think of myself as an SF fan, too,
though I have to say I really haven't kept up with *that* since the
early-to-mid-70s, either. <sigh> So many books, so little time ...
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mooncat
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response 37 of 53:
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Jul 20 13:13 UTC 1998 |
I haven't actually read them... So has anyone here read anything
by the woman that took my name <grumbles> Anne Perry?
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atticus
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response 38 of 53:
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Jul 20 16:37 UTC 1998 |
Tony Hillerman stories are just great. I always read them as a source of
information about the Navajo people and their culture. The mystery part
is just a bonus.
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anderyn
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response 39 of 53:
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Jul 20 19:30 UTC 1998 |
Anne Perry has two series out there -- one is the Monk series, with
a protagonist who starts out by being in a cariage accident and then
losing his memory, and who has to reinvent himself along the way. There
are about eight books in that series, and I like them, although she
seems to be running out of things to say, but I will continue to read.
The other series, which I don't like as well is about Inspector Inspector
Thomas Pitt, the low-born London copper with a
better-born
wife, Charlotte. Set during the Victorian era, Perry's
mysteries
usually examine the dark underbelly of aristocratic life.
Homosexuality, adultery, and pedophilia have all been
subjects of
her previous books; in Ashworth Hall she injects a new
ingredient: politics. (Yes, this last was stolen
from a blurb I had handy.)
Anne Perry is interesting as well for her involvement in a real-life
murder -- you know that movie that came out a few years ago about
the Australian girls who murdered one of them's mother? (That sounds
really icky, but I'm not cleaning up my grammar right now.) she was
the girl who actually did the head-bashing. So I think that it's
fascinating that she knows the criminal mind so well....
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mooncat
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Jul 22 16:09 UTC 1998 |
The movies is "Heavenly Creatures." As a joke I've been thinking
about using the pen name Juliet Hulme (that's the author Anne
Perry's real name) since Anne Perry is taken. <grins> And I
thought it was her friend that hit her mother with the rock..
Again, bad grammar.. I can't remember very clearly, but I thought
Juliet was more witness... Oh, and there is a part in the movie
where Juliet finds out that her mother has been having an affair.
The man's name is Bill Perry, and that happens to be my dad's name..
<grins> I just can't get away from her! ;) (Oh and it was the
friend's mother that got killed. When they were released from
prison- two seperate prisons- they had to promise to never see
each other again)
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remmers
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response 41 of 53:
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Jul 23 11:50 UTC 1998 |
I've seen "Heavenly Creatures". It's an early Kate Winslet film.
Did Winslet play Hulme or the other girl?
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mooncat
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response 42 of 53:
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Jul 23 12:14 UTC 1998 |
Kate Winslet played Juliet Hulme.
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krj
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response 43 of 53:
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Aug 24 19:37 UTC 1998 |
After janc's resp:30 and my resp:31 , I got interested enough to
dig my Peter Dickinson books out of storage. I reread the first of the
six Jimmy Pibble stories, THE GLASS SIDED ANTS' NEST; the setting
of the story is fascinating, the resolution of the mystery somewhat
less so. But it was Dickinson's first novel. I'm currently
trying to figure out how to simultaneously read these books and
loan them to Twila. :)
Just started this weekend: Greg Egan's PERMUTATION CITY, a science
fiction novel which seems to have a pretty promising start. We'll
see how it goes; I haven't been able to complete reading an SF novel
in maybe five years.
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anderyn
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Aug 25 15:07 UTC 1998 |
Read "Aunt Dimity's Death" by Nancy Atherton this weekend. Am now
finishing the second in the series and hoping to get the next two frm
the library this afternoon. Wonderful weird wacky books, I have no idea
why they're filed under mystery -- they're romances, ghost stories,
and just generally great!
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gibson
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response 45 of 53:
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Sep 1 02:49 UTC 1998 |
Ken, why not just read them to Twila?
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krj
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response 46 of 53:
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Sep 1 03:05 UTC 1998 |
I can't read that fast...
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md
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response 47 of 53:
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Sep 1 10:37 UTC 1998 |
Browsing the poetry section at Borders I noticed a slim volume
by someone named Billy Collins with the title "Picnic, Lightning."
The title is a celebrated quote from Nabokov's "Lolita": "My very
photogenic mother died in a freak accident (picnic, lightning)
when I was three." Collins uses the quote as an epigraph to the
title poem, which is about how thinking about the various ways
people can die suddenly tends to heighten one's perceptions of
reality. A couple of the individual poem titles also caught my
eye: "Lines Composed Over Three Thousand Miles from Tintern Abbey";
and "Taking Off Emily Dickinson's Clothes," which concludes:
"What I can tell you is
it was terribly quiet in Amherst
that Sabbath afternoon,
nothing but a carriage passing the house,
a fly buzzing in the windowpane.
So I could plainly hear her inhale
when I undid the very top
hook-and-eye fastener of her corset
and I could hear her sigh when finally it was unloosed,
the way some readers sigh when they realize
that Hope has feathers,
that reason is a plank,
that life is a loaded gun
that looks right at you with a yellow eye."
Readers of Emily Dickinson will hear a pleasant series of bells
going off in their heads when they read that. Anyway, I bought
the book. Highly recommended.
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remmers
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response 48 of 53:
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Sep 1 17:30 UTC 1998 |
That slim volume sounds downright terrifying. Perhaps I'll buy
it too.
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md
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response 49 of 53:
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Sep 2 00:23 UTC 1998 |
I think it's your kind of poetry, John. In fact, some of it sounds
like something you might have written, only this Collins guy got
there first:
"We have listened to their dismay,
the kind that issues from poems
the way water issues forth from hoses,
the way the match always gives its little speech on fire."
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remmers
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response 50 of 53:
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Sep 2 12:22 UTC 1998 |
Well, how do you know that this guy isn't one of my pseudos?
By the way, here's the remarkable complete sentence, which I'm tempted
to describe as "epic", from _Lolita_ in which the "picnic, lightning"
phrase occurs:
My very photogenic mother died in a freak accident (picnic,
lightning) when I was three, and, save for a pocket of
warmth in the darkest past, nothing of her subsists within
the hollows and dells of memory, over which, if you can
still stand my style (I am writing under observation), the
sun of my infancy had set: surely, you all know those redolent
remnants of day suspended, with the midges, about some hedge
in bloom or suddenly traversed by the rambler, at the bottom
of a hill, in the summer dusk; a furry warmth, golden midges.
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md
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response 51 of 53:
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Sep 2 22:47 UTC 1998 |
Question for discussion: Why does Humbert describe his
mother as "very photogenic"?
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mcnally
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response 52 of 53:
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Sep 3 05:25 UTC 1998 |
If she died when he was three years old I imagine a fair portion
of his adult image of her would have come through photographs and
stories related by those who knew her..
But then I haven't read the book..
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md
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response 53 of 53:
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Sep 8 23:04 UTC 1998 |
I saw Joyce Maynard on TV this morning plugging her new
book, "At Home in the World," which just hit the bookstores.
So I went to Borders Farmington Hills and bought a copy.
I've been a fan of Maynard's ever since I read her cover
essay in the NY Times Magazine 30 years ago, and then the
book it turned into, called "Looking Back." (She was 17 at
the time.) Her most famous book is "To Die For," which was
made into a movie starring Nicole Kidman a few years ago.
"At Home in the World" is an autobiographical work which
is making news because it tells about the affair Maynard
had with J.D. Salinger that everyone was buzzing about but
no one ever was able to confirm. The early reviews are
mixed -- the good news is it isn't a tell-all sleaze bio;
the bad news is it isn't a tell-all sleaze bio. We'll see.
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