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naftee
response 3 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 04:29 UTC 2005

i tried playing poker once this summer but it didn't work out.

blackjack was more fun.
nharmon
response 4 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 04:44 UTC 2005

I agree. Blackjack is much more fun. 
scholar
response 5 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 05:30 UTC 2005

Blackjack is best played by a computer.

More than one sense of the word 'best' is being used here.
cyklone
response 6 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 07:26 UTC 2005

I always thought 7 cars stud (which, if I'm remembering right, was Texas 
Hold 'em with two more hole cards) was the ultimate poker game. Does 
anyone play it anymore?
scholar
response 7 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 07:35 UTC 2005

Seven card stud is played with no community cards, three downcards, and four
upcards.

It used to be the ultimate game, but hasn't been for a few years.

The four hole cards one is OMAHA, which is like Hold 'em except that you have
to use exactly TWO of your hole cards and THREE of the community cards to make
your hand, and it's often played for LOW as well as HIGH hands.
furs
response 8 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 10:32 UTC 2005

I don't know what it is, but I am addicted to watching poker on TV.  I 
mean, I don't watch it all the time, but when there's nothing else on, 
I do find it very fascinating.
other
response 9 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 15:29 UTC 2005

Seven card stud is traditionally dealt in five rounds, and there are no
common cards (eash player is dealt her own hand of seven cards).

The first round is two cards face down and one card face up.  The next
three rounds are one card face up, and the final round is one card face
down.  Betting follows each round.

The group I play with most Friday evenings typically plays a small
variety of games including some we've made up, depending on the number
of players (range seems to be 3-9).  The games are: 
     Five card stud (four rounds, 1 down and 1 up, 1 up, 1 up, 1 down,
no common)
     Seven card stud (see above - 7 players or fewer)
     "Hedge" (one round, five cards down)
     "Coquilles" (pronounced "ko-kee" - same as Hedge, but add two
rounds with 1 common card per round)
     "Johnny Two-Hole" (five card draw plus two rounds of 1 common card
per round - generally good only for 6 players or fewer)
     Texas Hold-Em
     
Last night we added a new game, "Little Indian" (one card, dealt face
down to each player, who then - without looking at the card - holds it
up to their forehead where all the other players can see it. Players
then bet that their own card, which they cannot see, is higher than the
other cards that they can see. Last better has a significant advantage,
especially if the players are a little drunk.)
scholar
response 10 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 18:31 UTC 2005

why don't you play hold 'em that way?!
mcnally
response 11 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 19:40 UTC 2005

 I'm not sure to what extent the current television hold'em craze has
 eroded this, but until recently there were some definite regional
 preferences in poker play (and here I'm talking not about home games
 but about the sorts of games dealt in legal and semi-legal casinos
 and card rooms..)  The east coast, particularly Atlantic City, was
 known for favoring seven-card stud.  Hold'em has been the default
 game for national play for some time -- 30 years or more.  And for
 what originally started out as legal reasons but became established
 in their poker culture, Southern California has a regional pocket
 of draw lowball players, a game that's not commonly played seriously
 anywhere else that I know of.  I've never seen five card draw (high) 
 dealt anywhere in the country except for Deadwood, S.D., and that
 seemed more like a concession to tourists enamored with the Wild Bill
 legend than a real devotion to the game.

 As for myself, in my poker playing years I mostly played limit-bet
 hold'em (which is dealt according to the same rules but proceeds
 substantially differently from the no-limit-bet tournament version
 favored on television, since the betting has such a huge effect on
 strategy..)  A few years ago I started playing more Omaha, which,
 as was already mentioned is a flop-card game variant like hold'em
 where the players are all dealt four cards instead of two and (in
 the variant I played) is played high/low.  It's a less familiar
 game for many players and some find the increased possibilities
 from four cards confusing, leading to more exploitable mistakes
 from beginning players, which is why I found it attractive. 
scholar
response 12 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 21:47 UTC 2005

An easy way to make a few dollars is to play blackjack at online casinos.

Due to stiff competition, online casinos tend to offer large bonuses (100%
is common) on the first deposit players make, under the condition that the
player play through the money several times before cashing out.  The idea is
that people will play and lose all their money, including the bonus, but, for
players with the small amount of disipline to cashout as soon as they fulfill
the playthrough requirements, the odds can be hugely in their favour.  For
example, Starluck Casino offers a 100% bonus on a $100 deposit with an eight
times play through requirement, i.e. you have to wager $1600 in total to
cashout.  However, playing the lowest house edge game -- 'Vegas Strip'
blackjack -- with perfect basic strategy results in a house edge of 0.41% and
a payout of $193.44.  That's a player edge of 12.09%!  Not all bonuses are
this good -- many, for example, have higher playthrough requirements for
blackjack than they do for other games or prohibit it entirely -- but there
are many bonuses out there that can be played profitably!

Online poker rooms also offer bonuses, though those tend not to be as generous
as the casinos.
nharmon
response 13 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 22:11 UTC 2005

So you make $93. How long does it take to play through $1600?
scholar
response 14 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 22:26 UTC 2005

It depends.

Ideally, you want to play with the lowest possible wager -- $1 -- to reduce
variability.  That'd take maybe four hours, though that depends entirely on
how fast you can play.

If you increased your wager to $4, it would only take... an hour!
scholar
response 15 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 01:27 UTC 2005

ALSO< UH< AN INTERESTING THING IS THAT THERE ARE MANY ONLINE CASINOS THAT
OFFER THE S_O_CALLED "MICROGAMIONG VIPER" SOFTWARE< WHICH AUTOMATICALLY PLAYS
PERFECT STRATEGY BLACKJACK FOR YOU>

IT MIGHT BE A BIT OF A HUMP GETTING OVER THE WHOLE *HEY< SOME COMPUTER IS
BETTING $60 OF MY MONEY PER MINUTE*< BUT IT"S REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN YOU
DOING IT YOURSELF< EXCEPT THAT IT TAKES A LOT LESS TIME AND REQUIRES MUCH LESS
INTERACTION>
jep
response 16 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 18:48 UTC 2005

This item is linked as Grex agora:128 (and sports:128
(Hey, what are the odds on that?)
scholar
response 17 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 18:54 UTC 2005

I object to the linking.
jep
response 18 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 19:02 UTC 2005

Why?
scholar
response 19 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 21:05 UTC 2005

Because it was done without consulting me.
mcnally
response 20 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 21:52 UTC 2005

 On the same basis, I object to your objection.
jep
response 21 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 22:03 UTC 2005

If the author of this item wishes, I will remove the link.
marcvh
response 22 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 22:37 UTC 2005

I'm not a sports fan in general, nor am I a regular participant in
the sports conference.  Moreover, I recognize there's some degree of
controversy whether poker is a sport and whether a poker player is an
athlete (I think it's only if he is good at rippling chips.)  But I
don't have any objection to the linking.
naftee
response 23 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 23:13 UTC 2005

what !

jep ! 

how come ric isn't FW of the sports cf over here ?>!
scholar
response 24 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 15 01:27 UTC 2005

jep is a bad man.

a boring, intolerant coward.


i object to the linking because i don't think anyone like him, with his
history, should have the capability to have control over items, especially
if he hasn't first asked for it.
scholar
response 25 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 16 03:35 UTC 2005

Anyway, I will now proceed to list some of the benefits of playing poker
online:

1) Selection.  With many online poker rooms running more tables than there
are in Atlantic City and Vegas combined, as well as the nifty statistics (such
as hands per hour and the number of flops seen, indicators of roughly how much
money one can expect to be able to make) easily reported with modern
electronic poker technology, it's much easier to find any table running any
popular game you want for all sorts of stakes.  As well, you can play for
stakes (all the way down to $0.01/$0.02) and with numbers of players (as low
as two) that wouldn't be feasible in a real life casino, where the cost of
running another table is prohibitive.

2) Portability.  You can play anywhere you have an Internet connection:  on
the train, on the can, wherever.  No need to search out silly regulated
casinos.

3) Bonuses.  Because of all the competition, online cardrooms are willing to
offer you large bonuses in exchange for your business.  Typically, the most
generous of these bonuses are the ones you make on your first deposit:  these
are frequently 100% of your deposit or more.  You can also get bonuses for
redepositing and for referring friends who deposit, though these bonuses are
generally less generous.

The bonuses are generally released based on how many hands you play at a
certain level.  Sometimes the bonus is 'trickled out' as you play, and
sometimes it's released in one lump sum.  (Trickling?  Lumps?)  Still other
sites release the bonus to you immediately, with the condition that you have
to play a certain amount before cashing out the bonus.

4) Rake.  Because there isn't as much overhead, online cardrooms can offer
much lower rakes than you would find in real life.  10% is typical in real
life, while most online cardrooms offer a 5% rake (THE AMOUNT THE HOUSE TAKES
OUT OF A POT IN EXCHANGE FOR ITS SSERVICES) with a $3 cap.  The rake is even
lower the fewer people are playing.

5) Rakeback.  Again because of stiff competition, there are third party
referral services that allow you to sign up for cardrooms through them and
receive a percentage of the amount you contribute to the rake back.  Getting
30% of your rake back is a VERY significant boost.

6) Speed.  The automization of the dealing and the shuffling of cards,
combined with the ability for players to make their decisions before the
action comes to them, leads to MUCH faster play than is possible in real life.
Estimates I've read say that online play is generally twice as fast as real
life play.  If you're a winning player, this means you'll make more money.
If you're there for entertainment, it means you can have more fun.

7) Safety.  A large problem in poker is collusion, that is, two or more
players secretly working together to fleece the rest of the players.  This
is something that happens both online and offline, but online there are many
more ways to detect it and combat it, since every action a player makes can
be recorded and analysed.

One form collusion is chip dumping, that is, one player in a tournament
purposely losing all his chips to another player, giving that player a huge
advantage.  If this happened in real life, it's fully possible that the losing
player would have mucked his cards before anyone could investigate -- if
anyone even thought to raise the alarm.  Online, though, every hand is
recorded.  Sites could be programmed to automatically be suspicious of certain
actions:  "Hmm.  He called the guy's all in bet with ace high and four flush
cards on the board when he knew he was in late position and so wouldn't have
to show his cards?"  Even if the software weren't sophisticated enough to
catch all such problems, if a player suspected trouble he could alert the
room's operators who would investigate, if they were at all reputable.

8) Quantity.  Online, you can do something that simply isn't possible to
elegantly do in real life:  play more than one table silmultaneously.  Again,
if you're a winning player, this can dramatically increase your profit without
forcing you to play for higher stakes.  You're likely to lose some profit PER
table, since you can't pay as much attention to what's happening at each
individual table, but being able to play more than one table can more than
make up for this.  I've read blogs of people who play eight tables at a time,
though I'm sure there are people who play even more.
naftee
response 26 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 16 05:18 UTC 2005

whoa.
scholar
response 27 of 32: Mark Unseen   Dec 16 05:22 UTC 2005

Whoa!

SPEAKING OF POKER,

I had just made a reasonable amount of money playing positive expectation
games (i.e., games that I'll win at in the long run), so, uh, I decided to
play a few dollars at a SLIGHTLY NEGATIVE expectation game, i.e. Jacks or
Better video poker!

I was playing Euro 1.25 hands, and, uh, stayed around even for ten or so
hands, but then got trip treys on the first hand, and another trey on the draw
for quad treys... or, in other terms, about Euro 30!

I stopped playing after that, 'cause I figured that was enough!
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