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senna
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response 275 of 306:
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Jun 13 13:58 UTC 1998 |
I don't mind waiting in line, and it is many worlds better than having to
constantly bombard the system with telnet requests until I find a port, which
is what I used to do. I don't have a telnet attack program, so I just clicked
on it a lot. It was a pain.
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mcnally
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response 276 of 306:
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Jun 13 18:08 UTC 1998 |
re #274: Your numbers are a bit fudged -- if you're going to charge each
modem for the 40 computers you sould also charge for the ethernet cards..
And if you're really using 40 $100 modems on 40 different lines you should,
even without steady usage throughout the day, have periods where you're
getting much more peak throughput than a single ISDN line could provide.
I agree with your basic premise, though, that there is an economy of scale
which makes "trucks" more efficient than "bicycles" for some uses..
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arthurp
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response 277 of 306:
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Jun 13 18:41 UTC 1998 |
I think the assumption is that there are no 40 person offices that don't
already have ethernet. If there were, you wouldn't catch me working
there.
As to the queue, the number of ports has already been raised, and there
are plans in action to raise it steadily until we get too heavily
loaded, and then back off a bit. The 'problem' is that in *very* short
order we have gone from 18000 users to 21000. That trend is not
slackening.
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rcurl
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response 278 of 306:
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Jun 13 18:50 UTC 1998 |
As the question goes..."where is everybody"? They are not here in the
conferences. What's party like these days? Or are they mostly just using
e-mail?
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scg
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response 279 of 306:
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Jun 13 19:15 UTC 1998 |
Yes, I was making an assumption that an office with 40 computers would have
an ethernet already. It's been years since I've seen one that didn't. I was
also assuming that most of those modems would be used occasionally to check
mail, but that having fewer phone lines than that and making sure the modems
didn't conflict with eachother would require some sort of PBX system (or a
terminal server that people could dial out through), both of which would cost
a significant amount. Anyhow, I was trying to show a cost savings. Had I
been trying to show less of a cost savings, I would have pointed out that it
would still have been somewhat cheaper to get a T1 than to do all those
modems, and all those phone lines, and all those PPP accounts. That doesn't
even begin to cover the support costs whenever there is a problem with the
PPP stack on a Win95 box.
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jared
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response 280 of 306:
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Jun 13 22:37 UTC 1998 |
I don't have a "modem" to connect to the internet. I use this fancy
thing called ethernet. It goes to a hub to a router to I guess what
could be clasified as a modem, but it's called a csu/dsu.
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rcurl
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response 281 of 306:
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Jun 14 05:52 UTC 1998 |
I have received an e-mail with another message forwarded as an attachment.
I could read the attachment in pine, but I could not figure out how to
respond to the attachment and include it in my response, except by copy/paste
in a new message. Is there a way in pine to do this? Is there a way in
IE e-mail to include the forwarded message in the message forwarding it
(I could tell my correspondent how to do that if it can be done).
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arianna
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response 282 of 306:
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Jun 14 21:41 UTC 1998 |
I always just export the message and then read it to the response...but that
doesn't help if you'd like pine to put quote arrows on the attachment.....
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keesan
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response 283 of 306:
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Jun 15 02:45 UTC 1998 |
Re the modems, if anyone would rather dial in to grex from at home instead
of waiting in a queue at work, we can supply modems for $2 (about $10 total
if you also need a cable and adapter) and really basic computers for $25.
Come into Kiwanis Sat am or email me if you are in A2 but busy then.
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mcnally
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response 284 of 306:
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Jun 15 03:49 UTC 1998 |
re #281: "include-attachments-in-reply" is a configurable option in the
pine setup menu.. or, when you get a message with attachments you should
be able to use the "V" command to go to the "Attachment Index" screen,
from which you can "S"ave an attachment. You can then attach it to a
reply you have composed with ^J
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rcurl
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response 285 of 306:
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Jun 15 03:58 UTC 1998 |
I will look for "include attachments....", but with some fear of the
*very large* attachments I don't want to include. Too bad there isn't
an item in the menus in the reply window to do this. I did try "V" and
"S" but got either a complete message with HTML coding, or the message
without the header. Yes, copying and pasting didn't give me the quote
arrows. Well, I'll try "include" - but could the sender change his
preference to include fowarded message in message, in IE?
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scg
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response 286 of 306:
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Jun 15 05:11 UTC 1998 |
re 283:
Will you throw in a phone line? How about free long distance? ;)
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wolfg676
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response 287 of 306:
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Jun 15 13:38 UTC 1998 |
I need help. I've got all these wacky files in my home directory, and I don't
know how to get rid of them. All of them are zero-byte files with screwed up
names like "ikg%", "K", and "1c7m06..." with extended characters in them. Any
Ideas on what could've made these files appear?
Also, bash seems to zip along fine for me, perhaps the message in the shell
change program could be changed. Yes, after three(!) years of using the menu
shell, I've switched over to bash. This is due to my recent introduction to
Linux, and over the past week or so, I've been learning a great deal and have
gotten used to the bash shell. I just installed Pine on my box this morning,
and it runs great.
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mcnally
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response 288 of 306:
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Jun 15 16:14 UTC 1998 |
re #287:
If you want to remove files with funny characters in them, the main
thing to watch out for is to make sure that the shell isn't intepreting
those special characters in some way (i.e. as a wildcard character) and
coming up with some *other* filename that you don't want deleted..
There's probably a FAQ on how to delete files with funny names floating
around somewhere but given the names of your files I'd recommend trying
to get them with a wildcarded rm. Being very careful to pay attention
to what you're doing, I would:
bash$ cd
bash$ rm -i *
The "-i" flag is very important, as it will ask you for each file if you
really want to delete that file. It's possible that you already have -i
turned on by default but you really don't want to leave it off accidentally.
If you don't want to use wildcards, you can put the *exact* filename
(control characters and all) within single quotes (') and the shell will
do no expansion on the names (e.g. : rm 'bad?filename') but that may be
tricky with some of the control characters you seem to have in your
filenames.
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wolfg676
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response 289 of 306:
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Jun 15 16:52 UTC 1998 |
Thanks. I discovered that I could use cuteFTP to get rid of them. I'm still
new to using Linux in this way, and I'm being careful not to screw anything
up. I still wonder what created them in the first place.
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arthurp
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response 290 of 306:
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Jun 15 22:44 UTC 1998 |
Those files with funny names were on your linux machine? If so, you may
want to check the details on your hardware and check that against the
kernel info. There are some buggy IDE chipsets that corrupt disk data.
One of there is the RZ1000 for instance. Thse can be 'fixed' with
compiled in workarounds when you build a kernel.
If the files were here, well, then, line noise maybe?
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keesan
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response 291 of 306:
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Jun 16 01:50 UTC 1998 |
re #286, we can throw in a phone cord, but not a phone line, Kiwanis is not
in that business. The offer is to local grex members only (paying members
will have the required software put onto the machine if wanted).
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keesan
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response 292 of 306:
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Jun 16 02:43 UTC 1998 |
At about the fifteenth character on the fourth line of a
'mail' message, I could type no further but could hit a hard
return and then continue. This has happened a few times before.
Is it the system or something in my hardware or software?
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arthurp
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response 293 of 306:
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Jun 16 04:03 UTC 1998 |
Sounds like mail doesn't do auto end of line. It could be allowing a
certain number of characters per an internal data structure that it
calls a line. When you reach the end of it input halts until you hit
enter to stick that 'line' into the output file and start over with a
new 'line buffer'. This is something that is internal to many programs.
Even though your terminal software shows you wrapping to the next line,
the program at the host end doesn't see it that way. I always put the
returns in myself unless I know for sure that that particular program
doesn't need me to. (the 'tel' command (similar to write) has a limited
message length. You must hit enter and send that telegram and start
another if you have a message longer than about 2.5 'lines'.)
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keesan
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response 294 of 306:
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Jun 16 15:20 UTC 1998 |
I am pretty sure that I hit return at the end of the previous line, but
perhaps I forgot this time, thanks.
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mcnally
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response 295 of 306:
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Jun 16 17:23 UTC 1998 |
You'd have to forget for more than one line.. I'm not sure
which "mail" program you're talking about (there can be several
similarly-named and similar-appearing "mail" commands on a Unix
system ["mail", "Mail", "mailx", etc..]) but I doubt any of them
has a hardcoded line length less than 250 characters..
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keesan
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response 296 of 306:
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Jun 16 17:44 UTC 1998 |
plain 'mail', had not heard of the others and I barely know how to use
mail, just to read and reply and delete. I doubt that I forgot for
three lines. This has happened before, on the third or fourth lines.
Not important, just curious. Not like when it was freezing up before,
I can delete a letter, just not type forwards. I got into the habit of
using mail when pine took 5 minutes to open the inbox.
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wolfg676
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response 297 of 306:
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Jun 17 01:51 UTC 1998 |
Yep, the files were here. Don't know what made them appear, but almost all
of them had a date of 04/11/98. Can't remember what I was doing then, I don't
think I was transferring any files. I tried to use the "rm -i *" command, but
it choked on the first file that it encountered that was named "-B". Oh well
they're gone now, I was curious if anyone else had a similar problem.
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aruba
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response 298 of 306:
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Jun 17 06:15 UTC 1998 |
Re #292ff: 3*80 + 15 = 255. I suspect mail has a 255 character max line
length.
Can anyone say why Grex was down today?
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scg
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response 299 of 306:
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Jun 17 07:16 UTC 1998 |
Most Unix programs have a 255 character line length.
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