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babozita
response 270 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 16:03 UTC 1997

Whining about a discussion is just cause for "forget", Rane. =}
mta
response 271 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 18:48 UTC 1997

In many cases I agree with you, Rane.  But GREX is a hobby after all, so if
people come here not to learn but to socialize, I see nothing wrong with using
"forget" to avoid uncomfortable conversations.  (For that matter, if the
discomfort comes out of a reaction to mudslinging and/or obnoxious behavior,
I don't think *anyone* shoul;d have to deal with it.)

babozita
response 272 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 19:33 UTC 1997

Except that condemning specificmud slinging is a form of mudslinging...
valerie
response 273 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 20:04 UTC 1997

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richard
response 274 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 20:48 UTC 1997

But Valerie, if both votes fail than we dont have unregistered reading at
all...you should change your no vote back to a yes, and then vote yes on
colleen's.  That way,, whatever happens, we have unregistered reading. If
Mary's vote is ddefeated, there will be a big push to defeat colleen's so the
whole idea is scuttled.  You said you supported unregistered reading.  If you
do, you would vote for both proposal  s.  I dont understand  your vote of no
this time
ryan1
response 275 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 02:15 UTC 1997

I don't think Richard should be telling people how they should vote.
dpc
response 276 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 04:06 UTC 1997

I think we should respect the good judgment of Grex' President for Life
in Alternate Years.  Vote No! (Unpaid political announcement from the
Semi-Permeable Membrane Caucus)
babozita
response 277 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 13:25 UTC 1997

I don't think David should be telling people how they should vote.
  
*giggle*
ryan1
response 278 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 15:18 UTC 1997

Paul, there is a difference between Richard's and David's response.
srw
response 279 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 21:56 UTC 1997

The only difference is that one wants her to change and one doesn't. 
In my opinion, dpc's comments are disingenuous because of his bias.
I think Babozita was pointing that out in his giggly way.

Valerie is perfectly capable of making up her own mind how to vote, but 
I was certainly curious to know why she changed her mind. Now that I 
know i am a bit disappointed. I am inclined to believe that a compromise 
will fail, because Valerie's own compromise failed. I would (like 
Valerie) prefer a compromise to Mary's proposal. I am voting for Mary's 
exactly for the reasons Richard laid out. If it fails we will probably 
have no unregistered reading at all. 

This is ironic, that two camps that favor unregistered reading can't 
agree on a proposal that they can both vote for. I oppose this irony by 
voting for a second-best solution. I will work hard to see a compromise 
solution replace the one we are voting for today, whether this one pases 
or not.
mary
response 280 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 01:35 UTC 1997

We *really* need to move beyond this issue.
richard
response 281 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 02:47 UTC 1997

**richard thinks valerie is letting her emotional response to the
ramifications of this issue cloud her judgement, and she should change her
vote back**
valerie
response 282 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 06:11 UTC 1997

This response has been erased.

babozita
response 283 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 15:27 UTC 1997

The president has asked me to cool it on the mudslinging. I had left co-op
anyhow, but I came back to apologize. I've had strep throat since Friday,
combined with a stomach flu and a 102-degree fever. While that isn't an
excuse, some of the inflammatory posts were made during said fever. Valerie
(my wife, not the president) and Jenna can both attest that I haven't quite
been myself emotionally. I apologize for any discomfort that I may have
caused.
  
I never said anything I didn't mean, but I chose langauge and styles that were
inappropriate to this forum, at this time.
cmcgee
response 284 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 16:13 UTC 1997

Thank you Paul!

I too changed my vote from no to yes. 
If Mary's proposal fails, and we cannot find a workable compromise, then
nothing on Grex will be available to unregistered people. 

If Mary's proposal passes, and none of the compromises have majority
support, we will still have this policy in place. 

It is not clear to me that any compromise is going to get majority
support, and since I really prefer that we allow unregistered reading, I
want this option available.  


mary
response 285 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 23:05 UTC 1997

I grew up in a family that tended to disagree with enthusiasm.
No problem here.  I hope you feel better soon, Paul.
jenna
response 286 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 03:26 UTC 1997

I still hope Mary's propoal fail. I'm a fan of free choice and it doesn't
allow that.
remmers
response 287 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 05:20 UTC 1997

Results are as follows: 40 voting members in good standing cast
ballots.
                Yes     21
                No      19

In addition, 72 non-members voted. The results here (which don't
count towards determining the outcome) are

                Yes     40
                No      32

robh
response 288 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 08:38 UTC 1997

Fair enough.  I'll have my resignation ready in the afternoon.
ladymoon
response 289 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 12:23 UTC 1997

I hope you, cmcgee, and you valerie are happy! Hads you two not switched your
votes, this thing would be DEAD.
ryan1
response 290 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 15:09 UTC 1997

I think it is an unfair double standard that the Staff conference can remain
closed to unregistered reaading, however every single
other conference must be open.
babozita
response 291 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 15:52 UTC 1997

*smiles at Ryan* I was advised by one staffer that I was being discussed in
the Staff conference about a year ago. That statement was confirmed, in very
roundabout ways, by two other staffers and outrightly denied by yet two other
staffers. So I heartily agree with you, and have said so before. I'm told 90%
of the staff conference is so boring that it would be torture for anyone else
to HAVE to read it, though. =}
robh
response 292 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 16:28 UTC 1997

Re 289 - To be technical, *one* switched vote would have defeated
this motion, since "majority" means "more than half", not "half or
more".  Look it up in your Funk and Wagnalls.  >8)
richard
response 293 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 16:45 UTC 1997


richard
response 294 of 367: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 16:59 UTC 1997

AndValerie saves the day!  I felt sure that if she hadnt changedher vote
back, this would have been a tie.  I predicted this outcome om the nail:

#106 of 293: by Richard J. Wallner (richard) on Sun, Feb 23, 1997 (18:15):
 Mary, Peter, Jeff, John, SCG, and SRW all voted against the previous
proposal
 but will vote yes for Mary's.  Basede on the previous vote of 16 to 24,
if
 noone else changes their mind, the vote would be 21 yes 19 no.  
The  votes are there.


Grex politics arent that hard to figureout :)   I hope Jan and/or SRW can
turn unregistered reading on today.  May as well try it out for a while
before voting on thenext proposals.   So we'llhaveperspective.  Flip the
switch!  
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