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janc
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response 250 of 365:
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Nov 14 16:05 UTC 2000 |
I heard it in the context of doctors perscribing what they called "blood
thinning medications" for people at risk of stroke, and doing tests of "blood
thickness" to monitor that the blood was "thin" enough to (hopefully) avoid
a stroke but "thick enough" to not risk hemorages. Maybe this isn't real
medical terminology, but it sure is the way doctors and nurses talked to our
family.
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ashke
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response 251 of 365:
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Nov 14 16:56 UTC 2000 |
I have heard that, and when working with a Protien S deficiency roommate, his
doctors, and the Anti-coagulin Clinic that he works with. They do refer to
it, and also dictate that words into the medical charts. When they talk about
it, they are referring to the fact that the consistancy of blood is thicker
than normal, with the INR rating, therefore making it clot within itself. Most
normal situations cause blood to clot when expeosed to air or infection.
People who's blood is "thick" and are prone to clots actually have blood that
is of a thicker composition than those without. You should see them draw
blood.
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rcurl
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response 252 of 365:
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Nov 14 18:19 UTC 2000 |
This is an interesting exchange. No one here is medically trained except
Mary, and she says the thick/thin terminology is not used medically. What
is one to think?
So I looked up the sections on coagulation in the Merck Manual (written by
doctors for doctors - not the "Home" edition). The discussion is pretty
dense, and there are numerous factors and etiologies involved, but nary a
mention of "thin" or "thick". DIC is "disseminated intravascular
coagulation" which sure sounds like it could increase blood viscosity, but
the word "viscosity" is also not mentioned. I conclude that the terms
"thin" and "thick" are essentially useless for dealing with the complex of
pathologies involved that they are not used, and viscosity as a physical
factor is essentially irrelevant also, given all the serious consequences
of DIC. Anticoagulants (heparin, coumarin, etc) are also nowhere referred
to or associated with the terms "thin" or "thick".
Turning then to lay sources, Long's _The Essential Guide to Prescription
Drugs_ finally yields the term "Blood thinner". It is given for the
category "Common Synonyms ('Street Names')" for coumarin anticoagulants.
The therapeutic effect given is reduction of ability of blood to clot. No
mention is made to "thinning".
It appears that it is not a medical term and does not describe the
effect that occurs.
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mary
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response 253 of 365:
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Nov 14 19:25 UTC 2000 |
Thick and thin are lay terms. Doctors and nurses may use
the term when speaking with folks who have no medical background
but they sure as heck don't use it among themselves.
Most doctors don't trust patients with explanations like how
an aspirin a day will make your platelets slippery. It's
simply easier to pass along an image of watery blood as
opposed to syrupy blood. I think doctors speak down to
patients far too often.
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xcalibur
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response 254 of 365:
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Nov 14 19:36 UTC 2000 |
Isn't the proper term for "thick blood" hypo-thrombosis or something like
that? I dunno for sure but I think I read something to that effect.
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ashke
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response 255 of 365:
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Nov 14 19:44 UTC 2000 |
just a point, I work at the medical center, and they do talk to each other
in lay terms quite often. It all depends on the individual doctor. They also
make up terms to describe what's going on.
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mdw
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response 256 of 365:
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Nov 15 02:08 UTC 2000 |
Maybe it's a regional thing?
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birdy
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response 257 of 365:
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Nov 15 03:29 UTC 2000 |
And working in a medical office as a secretary and living with a sick roommate
does NOT make you a damn doctor or an expert. I think that's what Rane is
trying to say, and I agree. I would go with Mary on what terms to use.
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beeswing
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response 258 of 365:
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Nov 15 05:36 UTC 2000 |
Uhm. My feet seem to be warming up. :)
But I'm still tired and achy, throat pain too.
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bdh3
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response 259 of 365:
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Nov 15 06:36 UTC 2000 |
Try 'Tiger Balm'. A little on the soles of your feet and on your throat
and where ever those 'achy' are. And on your upper lip and behind both
ears. You can procure 'Tiger Balm' at any good chinese grocery. Also,
for your specific complaints I would suggest '999' in the green box
which is unfortunately only availible at a good chinese pharmacy. (Its
an herbal tea).
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senna
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response 260 of 365:
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Nov 15 07:26 UTC 2000 |
Thick, thin. Viscous, slippery platelettes, doesn't matter to me. I work
at Meijer. :) I'm not sure what the fuss is about.
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mary
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response 261 of 365:
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Nov 15 10:42 UTC 2000 |
I'm no expert here, just someone sharing her experience with
the terminology. Someone else might have had a different
experience. We aren't competing.
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senna
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response 262 of 365:
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Nov 15 12:20 UTC 2000 |
Sure we are. Life is a competition to see who can prove that they're the most
"with it." He or she who dies with either the most toys or the most
can-you-top-this stories wins. I thought you knew this, Mary :)
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birdy
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response 263 of 365:
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Nov 15 21:14 UTC 2000 |
Heh.
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keesan
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response 264 of 365:
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Nov 16 00:56 UTC 2000 |
Someone thinks there is a long distance phone company, charging 7 cents a
minute (Qwest is down to 5 cents) that will provide free internet service to
long distance customers, and that it is called Primus. I went to a Primus
website and it was blank. Does anyone know more?
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mdw
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response 265 of 365:
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Nov 16 01:03 UTC 2000 |
Frames?
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keesan
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response 266 of 365:
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Nov 16 03:39 UTC 2000 |
The site, in Lynx, read [Embed]. With Arachne, it was blank, even with
graphics turned on. I think it was www.primustel.com. Sites with frames are
not blank, they have at least two links (to left and main, for instance).
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scg
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response 267 of 365:
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Nov 16 03:52 UTC 2000 |
The site is not blank under Netscape 4.7, but is excessively animated. I
doubt Lynx would do very well with that.
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mdw
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response 268 of 365:
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Nov 16 04:10 UTC 2000 |
There's probably some redirection going on as well. The right way to do
redirection is with the redirect error code, but some people try to do
it with javascript or other weirdness. Lynx won't cope well with
either. Sometimes you can figure out what they meant to do with
\
in lynx (which shows the document source).
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keesan
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response 269 of 365:
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Nov 16 18:12 UTC 2000 |
I will take a look with Netscape, thanks. Steve, did you notice if they
actually are offering free internet service to long-distance users?
I will also see what Newdeal makes of this site. And lynx with \.
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scg
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response 270 of 365:
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Nov 16 19:49 UTC 2000 |
I didn't look at it farther than to establish that the site did indeed come
up. I've still never paid for Internet access.
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russ
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response 271 of 365:
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Nov 18 06:57 UTC 2000 |
Re #210: If you are willing to put up with a Lights of America
lamp, you can get the lumen output of a 150 W incandescent lamp
AND 3-way operation for a maximum power of only 34 watts. Minimum
power is about 13 watts.
But replace the circle tube when it starts getting flaky, or else the
ballast will kill itself trying to restart it. Experience talking here.
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russ
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response 272 of 365:
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Nov 18 06:58 UTC 2000 |
I've got a question about web hosting. I want to host some relatively
small (low-graphic) web pages, with minimal advertising on them. I do
not want to be tied to a particular local ISP, as I would be if I got a
cable modem. Who's good for this?
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sno
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response 273 of 365:
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Nov 18 13:54 UTC 2000 |
It seems that you can get free web page storage from a few locations
(like geocities), unless you are going commercial. Their big
obstacle is the frequent pop-up advertising.
Sorry, no answers if you are intending a commercial endeavor.
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russ
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response 274 of 365:
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Nov 21 01:45 UTC 2000 |
Re #171 (way the heck back there, had to dig to find it):
>The stove says: kW 6.9 206Y/120V 60 Hz AND kW 9.9 120/240V 60 Hz.
>(is one the oven and one the stove top units, maybe?).
No, this is for two flavors of connection. Which takes some explaining.
There are two kinds of grid connections you can get, single-phase and
3-phase. Single phase is a 60-Hz wave at a nominal 120 volts RMS[1]
relative to neutral, and if you take two of these which are in opposite
directions from neutral at the same time you can get 240 volts RMS
between them.
You can also get 3-phase power, which is more common in industrial
environments than residential. If you consider the phases like the
hands on a clock face, single-phase power gives you two possibilities
for the minute hand: 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock. You can connect between
either of those two hands and/or the hub (which is zero). Obviously, the
maximum distance (voltage) you can get is exactly twice the length of
the minute hand. But if you have *three phase*, you have three
possibilities for the minute hand position: 3 o'clock, 7 o'clock and
11 o'clock. If the length of the minute hand is considered to be 1,
the maximum distance you can get between any of the three positions is
sqrt(3). Ergo, if you were connecting your electric stove between two
legs of a 3-phase 120-volt line, you'd be feeding it a fair amount less
voltage (120 * sqrt(3) = 208 volts) than if you had a single-phase line
and were connecting between phases at 3 and 9 o'clock (240 volts).
The best 3-phase voltage is sqrt(3)/2 times the best single-phase voltage.
If you multiply 9.9 kw by (sqrt(3)/2)^2 = 0.75, you get about 7.4 kw.
I have no idea why the oven is only rated at 6.9 kw for a 208 volt line,
maybe there is something non-linear about the controls or you didn't
read it quite right (could 9.9 really be 9.2?). Regardless, a straight
calculation from the RMS voltage explains most of the difference.
[1] RMS is Root Mean Square. This is significant because the instantaneous
power into a resistive load is proportional to the square of the voltage,
so to make things simple one integrates the square of the voltage over the
cycle, takes the square root, and calls that "the (RMS) voltage". To get
average power, you square the RMS voltage and divide by the resistance:
P = I^2R. It makes it a lot easier to calculate things than compensating
for the average being lower than the peak, or funny non-sinusoidal
waveforms, etc.
<and with that, the rambling double-E vanished into the solder flux fumes>
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