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Grex > Oldcoop > #376: The problems with Grex, e-mail and spam | |
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keesan
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response 25 of 480:
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Nov 13 04:51 UTC 2006 |
My procmail log shows 27 Deborahs since midnight, some Hi Keesan and then they
switched to just a random name. This would come to about 200 per week so your
estimate might even be low. Even a crazy spammer would not be sending out
this many spams so maybe it has infected other machines?
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denise
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response 26 of 480:
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Nov 13 23:58 UTC 2006 |
I haven't set up any spam filters; I'm not that computer literate! Besides
a few very basic things here-everything else is mysterious to me.
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tsty
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response 27 of 480:
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Nov 14 02:16 UTC 2006 |
This response has been erased.
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keesan
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response 28 of 480:
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Nov 14 05:42 UTC 2006 |
But I just explained how to copy over a working filter to keep all the
Deborahs out of your mailbox. cp /a/k/e/keesan/procmailrc.simple .procmailrc
then pico .procmailrc and change keesan to denise, then cp
/a/k/e/keesan/.forward .forward. This copies my two files and changes one
of them to work for you. Do you know how to use pico to edit? I presume you
use it in your mail (with pine). This should take you a minute or two. Then
when using pine you type L to get a choice of seeing what is in your Inbox
or what is in your Spam folder. And you get a list of what went where:
less ~/mail/from shows you the list and you can delete 'from' every day.
The sample filter only dumps anything with 5 spam points and the rest goes
into the spam folder. I use 3 points, which works better, and you can change
it to that.
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denise
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response 29 of 480:
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Nov 14 11:23 UTC 2006 |
Sindi, I don't know how to use pico or any other editing program and though
I've heard the term 'pine', I have no idea what that is [besides a type of
tree]. Maybe that's partly why I rarely use mail here on grex; I am more
comfortable with the mail I use on my non-grex account. But I get much more
spam here, probably because of the spam filters they use...
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mary
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response 30 of 480:
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Nov 14 13:51 UTC 2006 |
I think it's amazingly wonderful that despite the fact Denise doesn't
edit, her responses are clear, typo and spelling error-free. I
use an editor and wish I could pull that off.
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nharmon
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response 31 of 480:
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Nov 14 13:58 UTC 2006 |
People who grew up with pen and paper tend to write slowly and
purposefully. Kids like me grew up with word processors, and often we
type faster than we think. *smile*
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mary
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response 32 of 480:
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Nov 14 14:01 UTC 2006 |
And TS, please realize that when you repost something like #27
you are simply acting as selfish as the original poster. Worse,
actually, as you should know better.
Don't make me filter you again.
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nharmon
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response 33 of 480:
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Nov 14 14:05 UTC 2006 |
Threatening to filter people is childish, IMO.
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slynne
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response 34 of 480:
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Nov 14 14:28 UTC 2006 |
Is it? I mean, if someone threatened *me* with filtering, most likely
it wouldnt alter my behavior. But I might appreciate being told that I
was being filtered.
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nharmon
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response 35 of 480:
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Nov 14 14:32 UTC 2006 |
Yeah, threatening to filter is childish in a bossy "i wont be your
friend unless you do X" sort of way. If you're going to filter, be done
with it. But don't play these games where you threaten to filter someone
because you don't like what they say.
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keesan
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response 36 of 480:
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Nov 14 14:38 UTC 2006 |
Denise, I can edit the procmailrc file for you if you can manage to copy it
to your own directory. Let me know. cp ~keesan/procmail.denise .procmailrc
and then cp ~keesan/.forward . but you have to be at a prompt to do this,
not a menu.
I wish someone in staff would set up a filter that people can use who don't
know how to edit, by just typing change and following instructions. I am
still getting floods of debora and also est* and akst* .
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mary
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response 37 of 480:
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Nov 14 16:47 UTC 2006 |
Oh, I'll still be his friend. I just won't be reading re-floods.
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slynne
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response 38 of 480:
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Nov 14 16:55 UTC 2006 |
resp:35 I think that some people do use the threat of filtering in a
bossy way but I also think it is something of a courtesy to let people
know you are considering filtering them. In fact, I generally dont tell
people when I stop paying attention to them because I dont care enough
about them to give them that courtesy. I suppose some people might
actually believe that they are so important that it will come as a real
blow to others to hear that they are being filtered. But mostly, I
think people tell others when they do it to give others the opportunity
to change their behavior if they wish to.
I dont tell people because I am mean and I dont care if the socially
retarded figure stuff out. Anyways, I guess what I find is funny is
that you are calling a certain behavior childish which suggests that
you think its opposite (i.e. NOT telling someone when they are going to
be filtered) is a particularly mature behavior. It is funny because I
engage in just that behavior but motivated not by any "taking the high
road" sense. My motivation is pure and utter indifference to the
feelings of certain others. It is unkind and has nothing to do with
maturity at all.
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denise
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response 39 of 480:
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Nov 14 23:20 UTC 2006 |
Re: 30 Thanks, Mary! :-)
Re:36 Sindi, I do use the menu options, so I don't know how to get the other
prompts that I would probably need to copy and such. Thanks for offering to
help, though.
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keesan
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response 40 of 480:
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Nov 15 00:12 UTC 2006 |
Could someone who uses the menu explain how to get to a prompt that lets
someone copy files? It would really help people like denise if there were
a simple command in the menu that would set up a spam filter.
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kingjon
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response 41 of 480:
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Nov 15 01:55 UTC 2006 |
The "R)un a UNIX Program" option could be used for this, I suppose. (For a
sequence of commands, give a shell like bash as the program to run.)
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tsty
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response 42 of 480:
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Nov 15 08:34 UTC 2006 |
re #32 ................................again ?????????????????????????
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ball
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response 43 of 480:
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Nov 15 09:14 UTC 2006 |
Does "!/bin/sh" work from the menu prompt?
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remmers
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response 44 of 480:
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Nov 15 12:21 UTC 2006 |
Yes.
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ball
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response 45 of 480:
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Nov 15 15:42 UTC 2006 |
Tidy :-)
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denise
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response 46 of 480:
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Nov 16 08:37 UTC 2006 |
Would all this spam mail go away if one was to get a new account [and never
using email to begin with]?
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keesan
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response 47 of 480:
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Nov 16 16:07 UTC 2006 |
If you got a new account and were a paying member, and never gave anyone
except trusted friends your email address, you could send mail to them, and
probably also receive mail without getting spam. If you are not a paying
member you would be a new user and could not send mail except locally from
a new account. And your old account would continue to receive spam for at
least three months until it got deleted. But sometimes worms get hold of your
email address in other people's address books - can spammers find you that
way?
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ball
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response 48 of 480:
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Nov 16 17:43 UTC 2006 |
Yes they can, not least because worms can report back to
spammers and other criminals. It may help a little to create
a username that is not an ordinary English word, since
spammers are likely to try {dictionary}@cyberspace.org
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rcurl
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response 49 of 480:
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Nov 16 20:57 UTC 2006 |
I have seen e-mail systems where recipients of e-mail must authorize accepting
e-mail from all correspondents. This is, of course, only a filter on from
addresses, but it should drastically cut down spam from major lists. Is this
implementable here?
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