response 25 of 65:

Feb 18 19:20 UTC 2006

In English, however, minutiae ARE more important than substance.

response 27 of 65:

Feb 18 20:42 UTC 2006

So did we ever get off the blacklists?

response 29 of 65:

Feb 19 18:35 UTC 2006

You can usually get off those blacklists as soon as you stop spamming.  Since
new users can't send email, and the plethora of ``sleeper accounts'' is being
cut down on, it would seem logical that grex will be getting off of more and
more of these blacklists as time passes (either by expiration due to time
without a complaint, or someone finding out about said blacklist and taking
the time to contact the list administrator).  Enough suggestions have been
made to raise the barrier to getting email access sufficiently to make it
largely a non-issue.  All that needs to be done is to implement them.  Bruce
Howard has already done some of that.

I don't understand why people think it's such a big deal that they feel
compelled to say, ``this in NO WAY means we turned off mail because of being
blacklisted.''  I mean, why not?  Being blacklisted was one of the means by
which grex found out about the problem of inordinate spam being sent from grex
(I don't think anyone was paying attention to the mail queue; this problem's
been going on for months with no action until recently.  Particularly until
the blacklisting started happening and people started saying, ``hey, my mail
is bouncing with this blacklist message...'' at which someone said, ``holy
SHIT we're sending out a lot of spam!''  This is what I mean when I say that
the two are isomorphic).  It is, therefore, one of the reasons grex decided to
do something about the spam.  Thus, it is one of the reasons why grex decided
to turn off mail.

What's the big deal about that?  You people act like it's somehow Bad if
that's the case.  Why?

response 31 of 65:

Feb 23 14:31 UTC 2006

It is funny because I thought we were turning off email both because of 
being blacklisted and because it was important to us not to be a source 
of spam so we could be a good member of the internet community. 

response 33 of 65:

Feb 23 17:42 UTC 2006

How do you know the chicken crossed the road? Couldn't the road have 
just as easily moved underneath the chicken? The the chicken did in 
fact, cross the road, what reference points would it have to know that 
it was the object in motion?

response 35 of 65:

Feb 23 21:55 UTC 2006

probably a cat.

response 37 of 65:

Mar 12 18:55 UTC 2006

Woops, didn't mean to erase the last message. 

I just joined, but since I can't send or receive mail, there's nothing
else for me to do except post chicken crossing messages.

To show the deer how to do it.

The New York City Police say,
"You give me five minutes with the chicken and I'll find out."

BILLY GRAHAM: And God said unto the chicken, "Thou shalt cross the
road." And the chicken crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing.

Hemingway: He crossed the road. To die. In the rain.
Martin Luther King, Jr. said: I see a world where all chickens will be
free to cross roads and no one will ask why?

Einstein: Why did the atoms cross the road? Because it was time to
split! Get it? Time to split!! Atoms!

Bill Clinton: To the best of my recollection, that chicken did not
engage in what I would call "road crossing behavior."

response 39 of 65:

Mar 14 06:18 UTC 2006

I've just discovered a way to send mail from my new user account even
though it's supposedly blocked. I wonder how long before spammers
exploit the weakness.

-perch

response 41 of 65:

Mar 14 14:56 UTC 2006

I could send mail by a process involving telnet, I forget how.  I think I
somehow telnetted to my ISPs mail server.  But non-members don't have telnet
privileges.

Hey staff, can we give perch outgoing email now that he knows how to get
around the block anyway?

response 43 of 65:

Mar 14 19:59 UTC 2006

I got mail from you, perch, and I answered it.  What mail program(s) have you
tried for reading your mail? 
There is no need to sign your posts with your login - it appears on line one
(using picospan).

response 45 of 65:

Mar 15 03:51 UTC 2006

No mail. I use pine but also checked my /var/mail/ file and it's empty,
except for the sytem generated message. I even tried sending mail to
myself from grex and it didn't work.

I sort of feel signing the post ends it. Otherwise I feel like I just
stopped in the 

response 47 of 65:

Mar 15 04:01 UTC 2006

You were right, there is a /var/mail/perch, and if I send you a mail the size
of that file does not increase, whereas /var/mail/keesan gets larger if I
write to myself.  I hope staff reads this item soon and fixes this problem
(and gives you outgoing mail privileges).

response 49 of 65:

Mar 15 04:49 UTC 2006

ocean perch is mighty good fish; wouldn't you agree ?