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dpc
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response 25 of 299:
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Mar 28 19:19 UTC 2005 |
I'm following this discussion closely, but have not yet formed an
opinion. Please keep discussing.
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naftee
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response 26 of 299:
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Mar 28 20:04 UTC 2005 |
who's going to have their accounts deleted /@!
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mary
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response 27 of 299:
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Mar 28 21:22 UTC 2005 |
I don't think I've ever seen Grex look as uninviting to newusers as it
is right now. There is almost no useful discussion happening in
agora. Mostly, it's just vile stuff from a few users who have taken
over. Warning them off for a few days may be better than letting them
in, right now.
But that's just my opinion. There is certainly room for disagreement.
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happyboy
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response 28 of 299:
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Mar 28 21:29 UTC 2005 |
if you do this, the irritators will have won.
HAH!
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scholar
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response 29 of 299:
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Mar 28 21:29 UTC 2005 |
I would like to know exactly what conditions a user must meet before they are
considered abusive enough to warrant account suspension under Mary Remmers's
schema.
I imagine I've certainly been abusive enough in the past, what with all the
election fraud, Greek week nonsense, mass mailings, etc., but what about now?
Certainly, I'm not "perfect", but I'm also certainly better than I used to
be. Should my account be suspended?
And what about if, as some doofuses continue to do, misunderstandings of who's
behind which accounts occur? I'm often confused with naftee. If my account
should be suspended, should his, even though he's been MUCH less abusive than
me over the years? And what about the Brazillians? Presumably, them joining
is what precipitated this discussion. If they should be suspended, should
I also be suspended since it's so obvious that we're one in the same?
What we need before we can do anything that will have any effect is some
useful criteria for determining exactly which accounts should be suspended.
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scholar
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response 30 of 299:
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Mar 28 21:30 UTC 2005 |
Slip.
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albaugh
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response 31 of 299:
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Mar 28 21:40 UTC 2005 |
The only one confused between scholar & naftee is the Sybil-like deficiency
of what serves as your brain.
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steve
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response 32 of 299:
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Mar 28 22:54 UTC 2005 |
Interesting that you put this in here, Mary. I've been wondering the same
thing. I am truly saddened to think along these lines, but the net has
changed a great deal, and I'd have to agree that Grex doesn't look as inviting
as it once did.
There are the sociopathetic types around, and there are people who abuse
Grex by sending out emails that cause problems etc. I think I could make
the case that our new hardware, coupled with our vastly increased net pipe
has caused some problems.
I'm not sure what the best solution is, yet. If we close down newuser,
I really want for people to be able to screen requests for accounts and
create them. Offhand I don't know how possible that is, but it can
certainly be done. A few weeks ago I had an interesting conversation
with someone from India who'd just discovered Grex, and was playing around
with the C compiler. Stopping that kind of person from accessing Grex
would be very sad. Still, on the other hand we have individuals who
confuse "free speech" with the ability to spew filth everywhere, and
decry our goals and ideals when we attempt to do something about it.
Something does have to be done, because otherwise Grex will have
optimized for those who can stand the atmosphere.
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krj
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response 33 of 299:
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Mar 28 23:37 UTC 2005 |
How many users participate in Agora?
Both as an absolute number, and a percentage of all Grex users?
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naftee
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response 34 of 299:
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Mar 28 23:40 UTC 2005 |
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tod
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response 35 of 299:
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Mar 28 23:40 UTC 2005 |
Take the blue ribbon of free speech off the website if you guys decide to go
all CENSORSHIP with this non-profit. Otherwise, just make the twit filter
capability a lil more user friendly and start an awareness campaign so people
know how to use it. That way, you can pick and choose what responses you read
without interfering with the posts of numbskulls. After all, I may not like
what mary or russ post more than what I care mccoy posts(that's an example,
mind you.)
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scholar
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response 36 of 299:
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Mar 28 23:56 UTC 2005 |
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scholar
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response 37 of 299:
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Mar 29 00:08 UTC 2005 |
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thecensored
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response 38 of 299:
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Mar 29 00:09 UTC 2005 |
#36 of 37: by By the way, this item has been archived offsite so you cannot
erase it. (scholar) on Mon, Mar 28, 2005 (18:56):
Re. 33:
21432 is the number of accounts on Grex, according to /etc/passwd. Of
course,
there are probably a number of accounts owned by the same person and maybe
even some accounts owned by more than one person and all that jazz.
#37 of 37: by By the way, this item has been archived offsite so you cannot
erase it. (scholar) on Mon, Mar 28, 2005 (19:08):
The current Agora lists 327 participants. The same provisions applying to
this number as to the last, we can see that only 1.5% of users ever bother
with BBS.
Presumably, FEWER than that amount will remain after Ms. Mary gets through
with her purges (which are no doubt an attempt to replace her now misplaces
menstruations. We can expect monthly fits.).
Essentially, then, what is proposed is opressing a HUGE majority for the sake
of a few jackasses.
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thecensored
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response 39 of 299:
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Mar 29 00:14 UTC 2005 |
(Note: After originally posting that response as scholar, I realized that,
for the benefit of people who might have him on their twit filters, I really
ought to post it under a relatively unfiltered account. I apologize for the
clumsy way in which this was done, though I must note that Grex's own staff
persistently make drastic technical errors (i.e., Joe Gelinas's assertion that
posting /etc/passwd files constituted such a breach in security that it was
an offense worthy of jongleurish censorship, i's inept ellision of user
responses in a way which caused plentiful error messages, and, if you realyl
want, I'll come up with more.).).
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scholar
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response 40 of 299:
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Mar 29 00:20 UTC 2005 |
That's okay, The Censored.
We recognize that you are merely attempting to be as courteous as possible,
even to people undeserving of such courtesy.
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marcvh
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response 41 of 299:
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Mar 29 00:24 UTC 2005 |
There are about 8177 usernames which have been used to sign on during February
and March.
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scholar
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response 42 of 299:
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Mar 29 01:11 UTC 2005 |
And every single one of them has fucked your mother.
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cyklone
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response 43 of 299:
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Mar 29 01:25 UTC 2005 |
Braziliant!
On a more serious note, another helpful stat would be to look at the donor
base. I seem to recall that many of the names aruba lists as contributors
are not names I see in agora. Thus it would appear that a substantial
number of donors don't even care about agora. If the stats bear me out on
this, then I think that would be further evidence that the grex "elite"
has a severe case of "if I can't have fun I'm gonna take my ball and go
home." This would also provide further support my view that grex is a
personal playground for some, and a place where doing personal favors for
favored persons is SOP.
Just a hint folks: The least drastic solution is almost always the best,
especially when there's no real consensus as to the problem itself.
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ryan
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response 44 of 299:
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Mar 29 01:35 UTC 2005 |
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naftee
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response 45 of 299:
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Mar 29 01:37 UTC 2005 |
i fuck your mom for sentimental reasons
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scholar
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response 46 of 299:
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Mar 29 01:39 UTC 2005 |
eww, dude.
no-one has ever accused me of being unsentimental, but even i wouldn't
go that far.
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cyklone
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response 47 of 299:
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Mar 29 01:42 UTC 2005 |
#44 was well-reasoned and well-written. For that reason I expect it will be
ignored by the handwringing elite . . . .
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scott
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response 48 of 299:
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Mar 29 02:26 UTC 2005 |
"For that reason I expect it will be
ignored by the handwringing elite . . . ."
Well, that was a typically snarky addendum to an otherwise good conversation.
It's been awhile since we discussed default twit filters for new users, but
that might be a way to approach this. While the small number of vandals could
keep creating new accounts, it would be fairly simple to keep a global twit
file current enough.
And of course we'd want to include an easy, prominent option to bypass that
filter, for users interested in seeing all responses.
Really what we should be doing is contacting the vandals' parents.
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aruba
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response 49 of 299:
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Mar 29 03:09 UTC 2005 |
Yeah, I think a system twit filter might be an option to consider which is
short of turning off newuser. As scott said, make it easy to opt in and out
of.
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