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Grex > Oldcoop > #195: Grex Board of Director's Meeting: Sept 10, 2004 | |
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naftee
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response 25 of 58:
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Sep 20 17:23 UTC 2004 |
other is pretty funny.
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tod
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response 26 of 58:
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Sep 20 17:39 UTC 2004 |
Obviously, some cops want a copy of someone's mailbox and last logs because
they were phishing. There couldn't be anything else useful in prosecution.
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aruba
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response 27 of 58:
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Sep 20 18:10 UTC 2004 |
Thanks, richard, for restoring my faith in Grexers - I was surprised no
one asked about this earlier.
As several people stated - the subpoena came from a law enforcement
agency, and the subpoena itself requested that we not discuss its
specifics, in order not to hinder an ongoing investigation. This was a
request, not a patriot act gag order. The subpoena related to one
specific user of Grex. Although we don't know exactly what the case is
about, the board and staff have reason to think that it is not a matter of
national security, but a more mundane form of criminal activity.
The board read the subpoena carefully and weighed its desire to aid the
investigation (both because we're responsible citizens, and have always
stated that Grex is not to be used for illegal purposes, and because we
have no desire to piss off law enforcement) against its desire to do all
business as openly as possible. I asked the law enforcement official I
spoke with about what we could say publicly, and we agreed that it was OK
to say that we responed to a subpoena. (Basically what I said in #2.)
As far as I know, the board didn't authorize anything that was in conflict
with any member votes or past policy.
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tod
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response 28 of 58:
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Sep 20 18:34 UTC 2004 |
If you need any assistance on the details for handling data acquisition(i.e.
integrity, discovery, and disclosure of electronic evidence) then feel free
to contact me at todd@plesco.us
If you want to be "responsible" citizens and not piss off law enforcement,
you should definately strive to consider the tactical and technical
ramifications in the digital evidence handling which not only cover chain of
custody but might include expert testimony and anything involving
admissibility which the prosecutor may need to address. Provide both
hard(printed with full header) and soft(disk) copies, etc.
Also, if anyone involved in knowledge of this subpoena also has a possibility
for being unduly prejudicial or confused on issues then the judge could toss
the whole thing out. Careful carefull my lil Colombo crime fighting friends.
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naftee
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response 29 of 58:
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Sep 20 20:58 UTC 2004 |
Definitely.
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tod
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response 30 of 58:
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Sep 20 21:21 UTC 2004 |
Definaftlee.
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ryan
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response 31 of 58:
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Sep 21 00:08 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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mfp
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response 32 of 58:
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Sep 21 01:09 UTC 2004 |
I JUST HOPE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME>
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mfp
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response 33 of 58:
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Sep 21 01:10 UTC 2004 |
LIKE< I HOPE I"LL NEVER HEAR ABOUT IT IF I STOP READING THIS ITEM.
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albaugh
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response 34 of 58:
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Sep 21 04:19 UTC 2004 |
These aren't the droids you're looking for...
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twenex
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response 35 of 58:
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Sep 22 18:13 UTC 2004 |
BAD BAD BAD
The beginning of the end......?
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mfp
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response 36 of 58:
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Sep 22 20:38 UTC 2004 |
Point.
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polygon
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response 37 of 58:
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Sep 23 14:12 UTC 2004 |
I was not able to attend that board meeting, but I was kept informed of
the issues. Moreover, I'm an attorney and an ACLU member. I advised my
fellow board members to comply with the subpoena.
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naftee
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response 38 of 58:
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Sep 24 06:12 UTC 2004 |
Will you support GreX in a court of law.
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polygon
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response 39 of 58:
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Sep 24 16:55 UTC 2004 |
That depends on what you mean by "support".
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naftee
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response 40 of 58:
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Sep 25 05:18 UTC 2004 |
Offer free legal counel?
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naftee
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response 41 of 58:
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Sep 25 05:19 UTC 2004 |
Counsel, I mean.
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polygon
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response 42 of 58:
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Sep 27 02:45 UTC 2004 |
I don't think it would be a good idea for me, or for any board member,
to represent Grex as an attorney in court.
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naftee
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response 43 of 58:
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Sep 27 06:14 UTC 2004 |
Why not? I'ts been done on m-net before; I think.
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i
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response 44 of 58:
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Sep 27 10:32 UTC 2004 |
Remember the old saying: "a man who is his own lawyer has a fool
for a client". It's also possible that polygon's area(s) of expertise
don't conveniently happen to be a great match for this legal situation.
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twenex
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response 45 of 58:
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Sep 27 12:25 UTC 2004 |
Re: #43. I think you just answered your own question...
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mfp
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response 46 of 58:
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Sep 27 16:30 UTC 2004 |
Point.
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naftee
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response 47 of 58:
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Sep 28 12:31 UTC 2004 |
I always forget old sayings :(
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jesuit
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response 48 of 58:
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May 17 02:15 UTC 2006 |
TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE
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tsty
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response 49 of 58:
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Mar 29 07:01 UTC 2007 |
so what has been the outcome of this gummint extortion/silencing?
remember, even the nytinmes was asked to keep quiet about the financial
fishing OVERSEAS against terroristte EVEN THOUGH there was NOTINOEG
criminal detected (and the nyt-whitlesses are such good dteectors)
but htey nyt-whits published *anyway* ... follow your leader - publish!
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