response 25 of 73:

Feb 9 05:05 UTC 1999

        Who's gonna morn, if the itmes are de-linked up their freezing
in the auction.cf?

response 27 of 73:

Feb 11 12:05 UTC 1999

I honestly don't mind them being here....since it brings attention to them,
when I know that I wouldn't have wanted to go through the auction conf.  And
it was just 2 or 3 items...:)

response 29 of 73:

Sep 2 14:28 UTC 1999

Is there any reason _for_ a restart, besides 'it's been a while'?

response 31 of 73:

Sep 4 18:20 UTC 1999

Hmm....I kind of like having old items around: you never know when someone
will nudge one and make it active again, and they don't do any harm just
sitting there.  Also, in conferences that don't have a lot of constant
activity, restarts can make for less conversation and not more -- fewer items
to respond to.  But, whatever...I don't have any real strong feelings on this
one.

response 33 of 73:

Sep 10 22:23 UTC 1999

I think it depends on how you look at it.  A restart might encourage 
some new users to come in and create new items.  I think we can all 
agree that we've just begun to scratch the surface of the deep diversity 
of music-- Ken once told me that there are Usenet groups that are much 
bigger and possibly more thorough.

re:31  I agree that the structure we've created here is good-- we 
eventually return to all the old items here.  I don't necessarily think 
that we would have too much trouble regenerating discussion in a 
restart.  I think it would be possible to create a music2 cf that is 
significantly different from this one where we could encourage newcomers 
to come and participate.  I also think it's possible that if newcomers 
were to address topics that have been previously addressed here, that we 
could quickly and efficiently cross-reference them, especially for those 
that have access to Backtalk.

re:32  I don't mind that this cf has become an archive, but I am 
disappointed that it has become more so an archive of music trivia than 
music information.  Perhaps I am biased as a student of music education, 
but I think this cf has more potential than to merely be a repository of 
musicology for the general public.  I noticed that my item for music 
education and pedagogy has been dead for quite some time.  I'm not 
saying that we should discuss music theory, technique, and history in 
scholarly detail (unless someone's interested, heh heh), but I think 
they could be touched on a little more than they are.

I came to A2 a few months ago with my wife and although music careers 
are not really a strength of the area, I was nonetheless impressed with 
the incredible amount of resources that was here.  We were on the North 
Campus with Ken, Sindi, and Jim and I was just amazed with the displays 
in the music building-- seeing items I'd only read about before.  In 
short, I'm hoping that this cf will be a think tank for performing 
artists and composers as well as those who listen to them.

<babble=off>

response 35 of 73:

Sep 23 20:44 UTC 1999

It would seem so since Grex is still on a relatively small scale.  I 
would like to think that trend is changing somewhat since more people 
are using computer-based technology than ever before.  Music 
performance and music education have been EXTREMELY affected.

I talked with my voice teacher some time ago about new software that 
plots out voice patterns.  It seems to be effective in producing a 
visual comparison between the voice pattern of a pitch sung ideally, 
and that of your own.  The technology is not new, of course-- it's been 
used in speech therapy-- but apparently, it's being used in vocal 
training for singing, now.  I forgot where Dr. Nesselroad said the 
developer was from; we don't have it here yet and he was discussing it 
with him elsewhere.  I think the developer lives closer to the East 
Coast than the West Coast over here.

I'm not sure how many of the music students here on this conference 
have used the TAP system for learning rhythm, but the system developed 
in Bellevue, WA (a suburb of Seattle) was taken from analog machines 
and converted to a software program called MusicWare by a company in 
Redmond, I believe, which would put it in the neighborhood where 
Microsoft resides.

It's true that music people in the computer industry are rare; today, 
it seems to be taking in M.B.A.'s and even some communications students 
(the industry is looking for social skills that perhaps some coders may 
be lacking).

Computer applications in music are very broad, but unfortunately, it's 
taking forever for the schools to catch up.  Since music education is 
often seen as a frill, it's usually one of the last areas to get 
widespread attention.

Now that I've said that, am I the only prospective music teacher here?  

response 37 of 73:

Sep 28 20:18 UTC 1999

Well, yeah, and most of early synth music *was* based on programming, 
especially with the introduction of MIDI.

response 39 of 73:

Sep 30 23:53 UTC 1999

Yes, I was thinking of that, and I should have made the distinction a 
bit clearer.  The Information Society made a distinction between songs 
programmed in software and those programmed by hardware alone.

Wasn't the group noted for their work in synth programming by software?

response 41 of 73:

Jul 27 05:33 UTC 2001

We forgot to wish the Music Conference a Happy Tenth Anniversary!!

Mike McNally entered the first item in the original music conference
on July 23, 1991.  That conference, save for the items we foolishly
deleted back when we worried about conference disk space, is 
available as the "oldmusic" conference, and someday it will be available
as "music1."  That conference ran until late 1996, when we started 
the second and current incarnation.

response 43 of 73:

Jul 27 18:51 UTC 2001

Yeah, I was kinda thinking something like that too.  It takes longer than
anything else on my cflist to come up.

response 45 of 73:

Jul 27 21:46 UTC 2001

True, true.  And if you've done it twice, it's traditional, so you don't have
to argue about it the third time around :)

response 47 of 73:

Jul 27 22:19 UTC 2001

Some questions:
   I'm pretty adamant about having item #1 be (1) essentially the 
contents of resp:1,7  (item 1, response 7) and (2) frozen, so that 
newbies get something helpful and meaningful when they first join.
Suggestions for improving that first item are welcome.
   Kewy and raven: you haven't been very active.  Do you want to 
continue as fairwitnesses in music3?
   What else would people like to see in a conference restart?
 
I'd like to get back to scott's idea of putting an index to hot items
in the login screen.  But people bitched at the layout I used last 
time.  Scott, I'm punting this to you.  A login screen change doesn't
have to coincide with a restart, of course.

response 49 of 73:

Jul 27 22:35 UTC 2001

I think the other issue with the hot-item list was what items should be
listed.  I guess I'm not that excited about the idea anymore.