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response 25 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 06:58 UTC 1998

i just dialed in twice but got nothing after:
CONNECT 19200


actually, twice at 7613000 and once at 5041.
i'm on via telnet now.
scott
response 26 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 12:54 UTC 1998

Re. 25:  The terminal server had crashed.  I've rebooted it.
kewy
response 27 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jun 30 14:32 UTC 1998

i'm not sure if this is the right item, but i've been getting severly large
numbers in waiting to telnet to grex, like usually around 40 or 50 in the
morning, any reason why, or just a lot of users in general around lately?
rcurl
response 28 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jun 30 16:07 UTC 1998

I thought you meant a *large* number...but only 40 or 50 - pshaw.
ivynymph
response 29 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jun 30 22:02 UTC 1998

I've been getting either an immedite connection or a number between 12 and
20.  I got 33 once, but I just disconnected.  THe speed of the connections
has been more pleasant than expected.
arthurp
response 30 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 1 00:00 UTC 1998

Seems to me everyone wants to get in from work in the morning.  The
queues are quite long then.  There's just so many users...
tpryan
response 31 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 1 21:31 UTC 1998

        Modem server was also unable to do it's thing yesterday afternnon,
in the 5pm hour.

aruba
response 32 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 21:31 UTC 1998

Whoa, this looks like a record to me:

  5:29pm  up 5 days, 12:40,  68 users,  load average: 107.91, 103.51, 91.55
kerryp
response 33 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 3 01:05 UTC 1998

Pipe can't access /usr/lib/sendmail : No such file or directory 
 
This is not a good sign.
keesan
response 34 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 3 14:02 UTC 1998

On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, C. Keesan wrote:
(In connection with being told my terminal has been idle for more than
15 minutes and I would be logged off in another five, while in the middle
of a chat with Sreeni.)
> I think I was reading agora and typed !talk.  This has happened to me
> before.  Should I exit bbs to avoid this problem when chatting?  I don't
> know any other prompt besides the ok: in bbs where I can type !talk.  I
> get chat requests while using lynx but I think that I have to quit lynx
> before chatting, at least that is what I do. 

>  I was dialed in, Sreeni telnetted, as was the case last time I had this
> problem. 
> 

It is likely that you were experiencing a problem in your pager.  I
seem to remember that the "less" pager doesn't report idle time.  If 
you have a shell that supports multitasking (i.e. if you aren't 
using the Bourne shell [sh]), you can hit control-z to get back to a
shell prompt, from which you can issue your talk command.  Doing If
you do this, you should not be affected by your pager's inability to
accurately report its idle time.  When you are done talking, from 
the shell prompt you can issue the 

        fg 

command, which stands for "ForeGround," to return to your BBS session.

(I was also told that I can probably type !talk from lynx, but I will try
the Ctl-z and fg instead, as chats can last hours!)

> Sreeni said my write permissions were off another time when he tried to
chat with me but I know they were on. 
.  I think it is just that I was in Pine and pine must tell people that
> write permissions are off - I also cannot get tels while in pine.  So
> Sreeni e-mailed me about my permissions being off, and I then tried to
> chat with him but he was gone.
> 

Pine has a setting that automatically turns off your messages while
it is run.  You can disable this feature by typing

        msc

from within Pine, and by selecting the "Allow Talk" field from the
menu of options.  

Please let us know if we can be of additional assistance.  

____________________________________________________________________
Michael O'Leary                                      mike@oleary.org 


keesan
response 35 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 3 19:15 UTC 1998

Another problem, when I tried to chat with someone using the menu shell we
were unable to connect until I went to the menu and typed T for talk from
there.  Why?
davel
response 36 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 12:10 UTC 1998

Possibly because they were trying to use talk & you were trying to use chat?
keesan
response 37 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 13:23 UTC 1998

Nope, we tried it both ways, each of us typing talk, I think.  We ended up
without the split screen that I usually see in talk, and got our lines of
typing scrambled with each other's until we learned to do 'o'.  I have
had the no-split-screen mode before when doing talk from the menu.  Can
someone explain what is going on and how to tell talk and chat apart and how
you get into them?  I prefer the split screen.  (By both ways I mean that we
each requested chat, I think - I am not sure what John was doing, it was his
first attempt at online talk).
danr
response 38 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 23:41 UTC 1998

Dunno if this is a bug or a design enhancement, but Backtalk has
decided to display the 'view previous responses' line up near the 
top of the page instead of after the unread responses.  If it's a new
feature, I kinda liked it the other way.
arthurp
response 39 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 6 03:31 UTC 1998

I found that Backtalk falt refused to talk to IE 2.? for NT4.  It just
gave a crash screen that said contact the authors.  I didn't feel it was
important enough to report since it only seems to affect IE 2.?.
srw
response 40 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 6 04:49 UTC 1998

Dan, the last change to the pistachio interface was in March, as far as 
I am aware. Jan might have some comments on the preferred location of 
the 'view previous responses' line. I uses the no-frame switch, so I 
also get it only at the top. Doesn't bother me much, though.

Charles, I wasn't aware of such a situation with IE2.x such as you 
suggest. There are some known issues, but they are not major, as far as 
I know. I think I have IE 2.x for some x on my NT machine at work. I 
usually avoid using it, in favor of Netscape, but I thought it worked ok 
last I tried.

Can you send us some details?  backtalk@hvcn.org   thanks
ejb
response 41 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 6 11:33 UTC 1998

I've seen 400+ load on Grex sometimes..
aruba
response 42 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 6 13:16 UTC 1998

Since we went to this machine?  I think the previous machine would take an
hour or so to run "uptime" with a load that high.
arthurp
response 43 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 7 02:34 UTC 1998

Hm.  That was with a project machine at my place, and with a laptop at 
my place.  The laptop is gone/sold, and the project now has OpenBSD on 
it.  It'll be a while before I get the chance to try NT on it again.  I 
can certainly see why you would avoid IE2.  It's won't even do anything 
while it's downloading a file.  (I was using it to download a real 
browser both times.)
janc
response 44 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 8 02:56 UTC 1998

The "view previous responses" thing has always been at the top of the page.
My rationale was that if I was looking for response 12, i'd probably first
try scrolling back.  If I found that the first response was 16, then I'd look
for a button.  Since I'm probably at the top of the text then, the button
should be at the top of the page.

As for IE2, I think you should sue Microsoft.
aruba
response 45 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 8 14:31 UTC 1998

Pine has gone back to being really slow at resolving groups like "board" and
"baff".  It's as if it isn't using the shadow password database anymore.
aruba
response 46 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 8 14:34 UTC 1998

(What I mean is, when I type "board" at the "To:" line and hit enter, there is
a really long pause while Pine tries to look up "board" like it was a user and
give me a full name.  Eventually it gives up.  That was always slow in the bad
old days, but it has been quite fast for the last year or so.)
cmcgee
response 47 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 14:25 UTC 1998

This isn't a problem, but I dont know how to find the information, so here
goes:
Is there some way, using Grex, that I can find the urls of websites that have
information about <topic>?  I wanted to find something about the acidity of
different types of coffee beans, and realized that lynx will only take me
there if I know where there is.  

Can I do by dialing in to Grex, or do I have to go to the library and use
their web browsing software?
rcurl
response 48 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 14:52 UTC 1998

You can use lynx to access web search engines. One is AltaVista at
http://www.altavista.digital.com/

srw
response 49 of 234: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 18:01 UTC 1998

Yup. Go there in lynx, type in your query into the form, and you will 
receive a list of "hits" from their database. If you like AltaVista, put 
it in your bookmarks file in Lynx. ("a" command) then you can easily get 
to it with the "v" command.

Another kind of place to try altogether is http://yahoo.com/ It is not a 
search index, but rather a topical hierarchy, but you can search it.
It's better for some things, worse for others. I go there first, and if 
it is not successful, then I use Altavista.

(all from lynx, of course)
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