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Grex > Helpers > #135: Grex System Announcements - Fall 2004 |  |
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mfp
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response 25 of 139:
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Oct 6 16:44 UTC 2004 |
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albaugh
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response 26 of 139:
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Oct 6 16:52 UTC 2004 |
"Fabrication" or not, it's the way grex "wants" it. You don't like it,
then have a member propose a change to the bylaws. All this continued
complaining is simply childish and accomplishes nothing.
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tod
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response 27 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:03 UTC 2004 |
I'm a member DISCUSSING it. Go soak your head.
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mfp
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response 28 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:19 UTC 2004 |
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mcnally
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response 29 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:21 UTC 2004 |
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mcnally
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response 30 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:21 UTC 2004 |
re #27: And you're DISCUSSING it in the SYSTEM ANNOUNCEMENT items.
HOW ABOUT rounding up your RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION and CAPITAL LETTERS
and taking them BOTH to the CO-OP CONFERENCE?
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tod
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response 31 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:22 UTC 2004 |
re #29: MaYBe i WIll Do ThaT mISter DeWEy dECimAl SySTem LIbRaRiAN.
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tod
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response 32 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:24 UTC 2004 |
re #29
Why are you calling me swear words and then censoring it? That's not a way
to behave in the system problems item. ;)
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remmers
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response 33 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:35 UTC 2004 |
(This is the Grex System Announcements item. Discussion about any Grex
policy is certainly appropriate, but the Coop conference might be a
better place for it.)
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albaugh
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response 34 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:57 UTC 2004 |
Complaining is not improving grex. There is a well-defined way to propose
and possibly enact a change to the bylaws.
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naftee
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response 35 of 139:
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Oct 7 05:14 UTC 2004 |
Which is incidentally only available to people who have decided to throw down
their right to privacy in the name of GreX. How many people can you possibly
expect to do this? Incidentally, the number is dropping every month.
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rcurl
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response 36 of 139:
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Oct 7 06:04 UTC 2004 |
No one's privacy is violated by having to produce ID for membership. The
only records kept by Grex are names and addresses.
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aruba
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response 37 of 139:
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Oct 7 14:16 UTC 2004 |
No, that's not true, Rane. We keep copies of ID on file in case a member
does something bad with their internet privileges, adn law enforcement needs
to track them down. As I said above, this has never happened.
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gull
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response 38 of 139:
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Oct 7 15:25 UTC 2004 |
Re resp:35: You don't need to be a member to post in co-op, last I checked.
This incessant whining is getting old, especially since, given the
attitudes you've expressed in the past, I'm sure you have no intention
of becoming a member even if the ID requirement is dropped.
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mooncat
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response 39 of 139:
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Oct 7 15:40 UTC 2004 |
to continue 37, (if I may) But that doesn't mean it won't, which is why
we need them.
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aruba
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response 40 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:28 UTC 2004 |
I think we should be talking about real ways to increase Grex's membership.
But I think that we need to get the new machine online first; now is not the
time to be asking people for more money. :)
I'd like to point out again that Grex did relax the ID rule recently, by
allowing verified members of Paypal to use that status to become members of
Grex. So if you don't feel comfortable sending ID to Grex, you can send it
to Paypal instead.
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rcurl
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response 41 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:33 UTC 2004 |
Re #37: I stand corrected. However none of that additional information would
have to be divulged to persons that are otherwise entitled to only observe
a list of names and addresses.
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tod
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response 42 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:34 UTC 2004 |
Does Grex have a privacy statement somewhere for the public which notifies
them of the details in re#37 & 40?
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twenex
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response 43 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:42 UTC 2004 |
Re: increasing membership: How about offering grex products to members "on
the cheap"? or fixing the dsl modem (yes, i know there are problems with lack
of time; I'm simply pointing out that something closer to 24/7 service is more
likely to bring us more members than a flake net connexion).
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aruba
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response 44 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:45 UTC 2004 |
Like I said, now is not the time. In a few weeks, hopefully.
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tod
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response 45 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:49 UTC 2004 |
re #38
This incessant whining is getting old, especially since, given the
attitudes you've expressed in the past, I'm sure you have no intention
of becoming a member even if the ID requirement is dropped.
I'm a member and have donated a full working dsl modem which is waiting to
be flashed for SDSL from its current iDSL configuration. Your "attitude" is
the only "incessant" whining I see in this item. We're trying to be realists
instead of idealists about some very real circumstances in Grex and telling
us to shutup or excuse criticisms by a few that you dislike for other reasons
is not very productive.
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aruba
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response 46 of 139:
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Oct 7 17:56 UTC 2004 |
Re #42: There are some details in the membership FAQ,
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| http://www.cyberspace.org/memfaq.html |
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tod
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response 47 of 139:
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Oct 7 18:04 UTC 2004 |
re #46
Thanks. Do you feel comfortable that there is no mention of the photocopied
ID being held in a file for exclusive view by any investigator or law
enforcement official "just in case"? I think it would be a good policy to
be as forthcoming as possible about the limit of privacy a person can expect
with their ID. Maybe even go so far as to explain where the ID will be stored
and how much security that involves so they can get a "feel" if their identity
is "really" protected.
There are two reasons Grex requires ID from its members:
1. While we are very comfortable allowing anonymous users access to
Grex, we are not comfortable unleashing them on the rest of the
Internet. It would be irresponsible of the Grex administration to
allow people we can't identify to telnet through Grex to other
systems, so we require ID from everyone we allow to do that.
2. Cyberspace Communications is required by the state of Michigan to
maintain an up-to-date list of members. Implied in this requirement
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aruba
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response 48 of 139:
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Oct 7 18:15 UTC 2004 |
The FAQ says that ID is only available to the treasurer. It also says that
ID information is not stored on the net. I think that's pretty clear. If
people want more information than that, they can ask, and I'll tell them.
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mfp
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response 49 of 139:
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Oct 7 18:18 UTC 2004 |
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