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nephi
response 25 of 126: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 07:39 UTC 1995

Welcome to Grex, cyc!  Try joining the help confernce.  This one 
is probably not of much use to you . . . yet.  8*)
ryan1
response 26 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 21:56 UTC 1995

heh, I remember my first bbs responce.  ANyway, robh is a great helper.
I have decided to help out too.  I will have the help flag on every
minute that I am on grex (unless I am REALLY busy) and for all teh regular
grex users who check the users lists (who finger users w etc.) know I'm
on grex a whole lot.  Also, I'd like to add, I would of been a grex helper
about a month or so earlier, but i didnt' know hwo to turn the help flag, 
on, and i wouldnt' ask anyone, cuz then it would be kinda stupid to not
know how to be a helper, but want to be one. (understand that?)  It wasn't
until i accidentally read the manual pages on mesg that i realized
how to turn the flag on.  
Also, I like helping users out for teh fowling reasons:
1.  It makes others think grex is a wonderful place (which it is)
2.  I like to help other people out.
3.  Being a helper is a wonderful way to meet all sorts of new people.
4.  hold on, a helper just wrote me =)
5.  and finally, i knew how frustrating things were when i first got on
grex, and i had never heard of bbs, unix or anything before
popcorn
response 27 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 14:44 UTC 1995

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rcurl
response 28 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 16:15 UTC 1995

Not much. Enough to set the flag. We discussed criteria somewhere once
(maybe even here?) and the default-concensus was that there would be
no criteria (a default-concensus is not a concensus, but what happens
when people get tired of discussing the matter - nothing). The real
question is, when does a helper decide that she/he can't answer enough
questions, and quits? Some probably should quit, but don't. I keep my
helper flag on, and find I can answer *most* questions about Grex, but
I am a dummy about scripting...and party (which I refer to others).
By the way, I had to ask how fix it so that my helper flag turned off
when I left conf....would you have told me to figure it out myself,
Valerie? [Actually, I approve of your responses, Valerie, but one gets
a reputation as being hard-nosed that way...welcome to the club - we
need more discipline in our lives.]
omni
response 29 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 19:42 UTC 1995

  I think you should know the basics; uploading, downloading, deleting 
files and directories, logging on and off, setting flags, etc.

 and also how to refer people to staff, when you cannot answer a question
appropriatly.
robh
response 30 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 23:06 UTC 1995

IMHO, you should know as much about Grex as you can, and you
should know how to refer a help-seeker when you haven't got
a clue.

(And yes, if you don't know how to automatically set your help
flag every time you log on, you probably shouldn't be a helper.  >8)
nephi
response 31 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 23:22 UTC 1995

I also like your answer, Valerie.  I think it makes for a grext "test" of the
proficiency of a potential helper.  

I would, however, also probably tell him *why* I didn't tell him how exactly
to do it.  I would probably explain that if he couldn't figure out how to read
the man pages and turn his flag on using the info from the man pages, then
he would probably be doing a disservice to many of the people he was trying
to help.  

Whaddya think?
kaplan
response 32 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 02:49 UTC 1995

A lot of the help-seeker questions I get need less knowledge than editing
a script file.  In that situation I definitely would not have (and of
course could not have without root access) gone in and done it for him. 
But I would have told him what to do and why it would work.  That would at
least let him know enough about a few things that he'd be more helpful to
someone in the future.  
popcorn
response 33 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 23 12:01 UTC 1995

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omni
response 34 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 23 19:21 UTC 1995

 Done. I wrote tinman and asked him to tell me his problem, and I would try
to help.
popcorn
response 35 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 26 00:49 UTC 1995

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popcorn
response 36 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 26 00:50 UTC 1995

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omni
response 37 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 26 07:03 UTC 1995

 I spoke with kklee about 2 days ago, and we had a very nice conversation.
I don't recall her problem, but it was dealt with.
popcorn
response 38 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 28 12:55 UTC 1995

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robh
response 39 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 28 13:11 UTC 1995

Don't panic, I talked to her and I think we've got it sorted out.
popcorn
response 40 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jul 28 13:17 UTC 1995

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carson
response 41 of 126: Mark Unseen   Aug 4 09:58 UTC 1995

I'm a part-time helper now. I find that I've gone back to occasional long
sessions on Grex, and turn my flag on then.

Now the hard part: getting back into the habit. :) (how do the nuns do it?)

popcorn
response 42 of 126: Mark Unseen   Aug 18 00:26 UTC 1995

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robh
response 43 of 126: Mark Unseen   Aug 18 01:13 UTC 1995

I thought person just had his account deleted?
rcurl
response 44 of 126: Mark Unseen   Aug 18 03:37 UTC 1995

90% of the times I log on, noone has a help flag on (I run finger in my
.login). The idea of write help is to handle the question when it was
asked, not later by mail. How about getting more users to turn on their
help flags. (This is something the we-hope-is-coming newsletter canhelp
promote - having the appeal in writing in an article in a newsletter is
more likely to catch users' interest than a response in agora (I tested
the latter, and it didn't seem to have any effect). 

robh
response 45 of 126: Mark Unseen   Aug 18 09:54 UTC 1995

Any ideas how to *get* more people to help?  I've racked my
brains for a year, and all I've come up with is "offer money".  >8(
davel
response 46 of 126: Mark Unseen   Aug 18 10:56 UTC 1995

I stopped permitting writes (before "write help" came up) when I found that
the vast majority of writes I got were people who wanted to chat but
didn't actually have anything to say.  (There was an earlier time when
that wasn't true.)  I don't have any ideas about what would make *me*
put up with so many useless interruptions from strangers, much less how
to encourage anyone else.  Or does having your help flag set somehow
discourage people who *don't* want help from writing you?
robh
response 47 of 126: Mark Unseen   Aug 18 23:18 UTC 1995

Sadly, no I still get the occasional person who thinks I'm
a chat service.  >8(

From looking over the WriteLog, I see that most of the failed
attempts to write help are occuring between midnight and 6 AM.
If we're going to try campaigning to get more helpers, this
is the time slot we need to fill.
rcurl
response 48 of 126: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 04:55 UTC 1995

That's usually when I'm on in the evening...but more are needed.

I would say that one in fifty, or fewer, write-helps that I receive
are looking to chat. My first greeting is always "Hi, how may I
help you?" I almost always get a question, not an effort to chat. 
carson
response 49 of 126: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 05:50 UTC 1995

I haven't had any probblems as a helper save new unexpected demands on
my time. :(
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