response 25 of 367:

Feb 15 01:20 UTC 1997

Not everybody.

response 27 of 367:

Feb 15 07:45 UTC 1997

I would be unhappy if most cfs were not opened to unregistered readers.
Most cfs would welcome new participants and one way to help get them is to
entice potential new users.

response 29 of 367:

Feb 15 17:23 UTC 1997

i think rane would like to see conferences that want to be closed
stay closed and other conferences who really need he attention
to be open./ I'm nt an extremist, and i think extremists are childish.

response 31 of 367:

Feb 15 18:29 UTC 1997

Ryan, I said *most* cfs; Jenna interprets me correctly. I have concluded
that this issue is not *critical* enough to take an extreme position, such
as this item's proposal. Re #30: voting yes on *this* proposal can do more
than "see how many members would really prefer totally open Grexing"; it
could force this on much more than 50% of users (since only a fraction
of members vote and members are only a fraction of users). Also, what
you propose in #30, cmcgee, is what the proposal we are voting on now
(valerie's) accomplishes, except for the new conference provision. A
better approach (IMO) is to adopt valerie's motion, defeat mary's, and
then amend valerie's policy to open all new cfs to unregistered reading.

response 33 of 367:

Feb 15 20:08 UTC 1997

This proposal is one I would have proposed myself if the current compromise
fails.  If the compromise succeeds, I will vote against this policy, because
we will be sufficiently open for my tastes.

If the current compromise fails, I will vote for this policy, because I think
it is a better policy for Grex to be open than not. 

I am glad that Valerie got the compromise policy voting underway, because now
I may not have to be forced to decide between  the desire to make Grex easier
for people to learn about (openness) and keeping a few long-time Grexers.
If the compromise policy fails, this policy vote will force that choice, and
I am decidedly in favor of unregistered reading.

response 37 of 367:

Feb 17 19:16 UTC 1997

Um, Grex's homepage does use some graphics on Isthmus, but I very strongly
doubt that any delays are the direct result of that.  It would be much slower
to host the graphics on Grex.

response 39 of 367:

Feb 17 19:38 UTC 1997

i think grex also doesn' want its memory clogged up
with massive gifs and jpegs.

response 41 of 367:

Feb 18 01:30 UTC 1997

Quick question (it's hard to catch up on all these conferences over
a slow net link and/or at 2400 in the few minutes I have every couple
hours to spend online here)... 

For people to read stuff online unregistered, what keeps them from
telnetting in, creating an account, then reading that way?  There's
no restrictions as to who can run newuser, so why not implement it
that way instead of having a big "to-do" over this issue.

response 43 of 367:

Feb 18 07:12 UTC 1997

Yes. Mary's is a general policy statement that will supersede any that cme
before - even a week or two before.

response 45 of 367:

Feb 18 09:36 UTC 1997

Re 41 - Exactly what I said, many many responses ago...
Apparently the feeling is that the teeny tiny bit of effort
required to run newuser is scaring away droves of potential
users who stumble across our site on the Web.  (Droves who
would no doubt become dues-paying members and support the
system if that requirement were removed.)

response 47 of 367:

Feb 18 16:53 UTC 1997

#45....Kaplan you have no basis for the claim that those who run newuser 
"care more about grex" than those who dont.  That is an opinion, not 
anything based on anything.  There are simply people out there who do 
not wish to validate themselves in anyway, and dont know how easy it is 
to get around that in newuser.  So they dont come at all.

Also, people will come here if they if/when they are pointed to items of 
individual interest in various confs.  For instance, if I'm reading 
alt.fan.startrek, and there is a good star trek item in the sci-fi conf, 
I can point it out.   People in cyberspace are lazy!  They will not read 
that item, even if it interests them, if they have to take time out to 
run newuser and sign up for a place they know nothing about. 

Why robh and others refuse to acknowledge this is beyond me?  How hard 
can it be to see the potential that unregistered reading can have here? 
How hard can it be to see how many newusers and potential new members 
can be brought here?    People who come here to read one item, might say 
"whoaa, looks like an interesting conf, let me look around" and read 
other confs.  IMO the only way unregistered reading really works is if 
it is really tried, meaning lets make all the confs available.  Period.

response 49 of 367:

Feb 18 17:07 UTC 1997

there is an web interface here to newuser...has beenforsometime...that doesnt
make a difference in the argument