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Grex > Coop8 > #77: >>> Grex needs to move <<< |  |
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tsty
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response 25 of 561:
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Jun 19 21:09 UTC 1996 |
make the appeal at LEAST fo the time delay it affords.
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janc
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response 26 of 561:
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Jun 19 22:33 UTC 1996 |
We probably will.
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freida
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response 27 of 561:
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Jun 19 23:50 UTC 1996 |
You could mover grex to the barn here, but you would have to move the people
who do things with it too...
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bru
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response 28 of 561:
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Jun 20 03:22 UTC 1996 |
and dpc are looking into the new space for m-net. Our deadline is
more
or rather nearly a year away, but dpc has already located several places in the
100 to 150 per month range. I will ask him if he will share the info.
Perhaps in exchange for service help for m-net? :-)
Also, I am interested in the idea of M-net and grex sharing space in the
future. Perhaps if the right space is found, Grex could rent it now with M-net
moving in in a few months.
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omni
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response 29 of 561:
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Jun 20 03:42 UTC 1996 |
Just make freida a root ;)
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gregc
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response 30 of 561:
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Jun 20 05:06 UTC 1996 |
I am 100% firmly, intractably, against Grex and Mnet ever sharing the
same space. If it is ever decided that the 2 systems move into the same
location together it will be accompanied by my resignation from Grex.
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carson
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response 31 of 561:
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Jun 20 11:52 UTC 1996 |
I'd likely leave both. ugh.
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kami
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response 32 of 561:
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Jun 20 17:31 UTC 1996 |
What's wrong with someone
s basement, as long as they don't mind occasional 3:am "grex is down" calls
and staff-types coming over? Hey, mine isn't even locked most of the time
(but don't tell any burglars, please <g>).
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robh
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response 33 of 561:
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Jun 20 18:00 UTC 1996 |
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kaplan
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response 34 of 561:
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Jun 20 18:15 UTC 1996 |
Maybe the hardware is stable enough to go back to CE? Ken and grex got along
pretty well except when people wanted to touch the hardware at odd hours.
How frequently do grex staffers NEED late night access these days?
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janc
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response 35 of 561:
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Jun 20 18:22 UTC 1996 |
I've never seen why sharing a room would be a problem. In fact, the last
room being discussed was large enough that you could put a light parition
through it if you wanted, but I don't see why an imaginary parition wouldn't
work just as well.
And I really don't think much of the "don't do that or I'll leave" ultimatums
people have been throwing around. We seem to have enough problems without
having to deal with who finds what options personally offensive. Give us
reasons not to do it, not threats.
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kenb
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response 36 of 561:
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Jun 20 19:47 UTC 1996 |
Since it is largely a computer storage space, perhaps we could one of the
self-storage facilities in Ann Arbor. Rates are $70-100 for 10x10 units
although electricity is limited to a simple ceiling light fixture.
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robh
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response 37 of 561:
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Jun 20 20:18 UTC 1996 |
If we were allowed to use a storage space, we wouldn't have to move. >8(
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fuzzball
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response 38 of 561:
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Jun 20 21:45 UTC 1996 |
if grex dont get moved out is it shut down for good?
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drew
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response 39 of 561:
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Jun 20 22:05 UTC 1996 |
How much power can be stuffed through one of those ceiling light circuits?
Come to think of it, moving the phones there would be a problem...
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kerouac
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response 40 of 561:
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Jun 20 22:28 UTC 1996 |
yeah there must be a home owning grexer in the a2 area who has a spare
room or basement to rent. Be even better if that home owner was on staff
so he/she could take care of any off hours system needs.
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scott
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response 41 of 561:
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Jun 20 23:39 UTC 1996 |
But that takes us back to zoning requirements again. A room in a residence
probably won't be of any use.
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srw
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response 42 of 561:
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Jun 21 02:05 UTC 1996 |
I think sharing space with M-Net is quite a reasonable option. And if Greg
were going to resign from Grex over it I'd be mighty disappointed, but I'd
not let that stop me from voting for it. I do not accept ultimata.
I suggest Greg rethink his position on this question.
I would however respond to thoughtful argumentation.
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robh
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response 43 of 561:
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Jun 21 03:00 UTC 1996 |
Re 40 and 41 - Remember how much trouble we had to go thrugh
to get the Dungeon deemed a "commercial zone". We'd have to
go through all of that again if we moved to someone's basement.
>8(((
(By "we", I mainly mean Nick, of course.)
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gregc
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response 44 of 561:
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Jun 21 03:40 UTC 1996 |
Re #41: scott
A room or basement of a *privately owned structure would not be a problem.
Grex's current room is in a rental unit, and as such, falls under a
different set of rules.
Re #35 and #42: Jan and srw
My statement was neither an ultimatum or a threat, simply a statement of
fact. I do not expect to sway the decision. As for Jan's request for
"reasons, not threats", I have *already* stated most of my reasons in a
another item in coop.
I'll add one more: Mnet has lost it's expert technical help. If Mnet and
Grex end up in the same location, there will be a lot of pressure on
Grex's staff to "Help out" Mnet. I don't have time to take care of 2
systems. And our staff barely has enough free time to take care of Grex.
I am already unhappy with HVCN's attempts to raid our staff, I know the
same thing will happen with Mnet.
And to those who just want to dismiss me as a doomsayer: I've been in this
business for 20+ years, I've got a fair handle on human nature and I've seen
how these things play out. In the past I've tried to warn Grex about the
consequences of various of it's actions and been ignored. Time proved me
right. Being able to say "I told you so", is little compensation. I *know*
moving in with Mnet would be a terrible mistake. If the rest of board/staff
can't see it as the mistake it is, fine. It's their mistake to make. For
the most part, making mistakes is a great part of how we learn. But I
don't need that lesson, I already have enough bullshit in my life and
I don't need more. So if it is decided to take Grex down that road, fine,
you'll just go down that road without me, I don't have the time for it.
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contaxes
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response 45 of 561:
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Jun 21 05:20 UTC 1996 |
Re #40, #41, #43:
The computers and modems sitting in the basement of a private home would
present no zoning questions, any more than would the owner having a set
of electric trains there. The problem in the present space is: (a) I
rent space to you, and (b) it is not an activity in which an owner-
resident partakes and controls.
If you found a space in someone's basement you would probably pay him/her
something, but the city doesn't need to know that. They wouldn't need
to know anything. They don't inspect private homes. There are other
conference systems and bulletin boards in town run out of someone's
apartment. However, if it were in someone's basement, it would perhaps
be better if it were not in a separate room.
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kami
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response 46 of 561:
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Jun 21 05:23 UTC 1996 |
re: 33- Rob, I may be insanely "happy go lucky", but was that neon sign
really necessary? Please think next time.
Gee, that is something to worry about, I suppose; if I offered to play host
to Grex, would I have to think about security?
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robh
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response 47 of 561:
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Jun 21 05:32 UTC 1996 |
Re 46 - Yep, you probably would.
Re 44 & 45 - Whoops, I didn't know the zoning thingy didn't
apply to private homes. I take back what I said.
Re 44 - That would be my main concern about co-locating with
M-Net. Most of the staffers on Grex aren't cruel enough to
turn down a plea for help from M-Net, if we happen to be
in the room working on Grex stuff while they're having a
problem. I know I'm not that cruel. (I try, though. >8)
I'm sure it would start out with small stuff - could you help
us with the password file? how about this device driver? -
and within a few months, we'd be keeping M-Net running.
That's not something I'm prepared to do.
(But I do share janc's concern about threats from staffers.)
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popcorn
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response 48 of 561:
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Jun 21 08:26 UTC 1996 |
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remmers
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response 49 of 561:
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Jun 21 12:06 UTC 1996 |
Couldn't find anything in Thursday night's paper. Perhaps tonight.
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