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Grex > Coop13 > #360: Member initative: Allow members to host images | |
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naftee
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response 25 of 182:
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Sep 6 23:13 UTC 2006 |
Exactly what tod said. There can be appropriate content consisting of images,
and totally inappropriate content consisting of text. GreX staffers really
shouldn't be in the "content evaluation business", unless it involves
something illegal or hogs system resources. Both exceptions are covered in
scholar's proposal.
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mcnally
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response 26 of 182:
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Sep 6 23:52 UTC 2006 |
re #24, 25: I'm not pretending that images are the only format
where one has to make decisions about legality but I honestly
believe that in practice with images the "grey area" is substantially
larger, calling for a substantially higher number of subjective
judgments.
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tod
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response 27 of 182:
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Sep 7 00:10 UTC 2006 |
I'd agree with that. Allowing even one more image will mean a higher number
of subjective judgments.
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aruba
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response 28 of 182:
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Sep 7 15:53 UTC 2006 |
Scholar, could we see the whole proposal in one response?
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scholar
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response 29 of 182:
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Sep 8 00:08 UTC 2006 |
Sure:
Members of Cyberspacce Commmunications, Inc., will be allowed to host images
in their webspace on Grex.
If a member of staff determines, at their discretion, that any image is using
too much of Grex's resources, including by being too large, they may take
action to limit that use, including deleting the image. If staff determines
that a member has persistently or egregiously abused their privilege to host
images, that member's ability to host images may be restricted.
The staff may set a limit on the on the size of images, which will apply to all
users.
The staff may also remove any image which violates Cyberspace Communication's
policies or violates the laws under which it operates.
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aruba
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response 30 of 182:
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Sep 8 00:44 UTC 2006 |
OK, I'll endorse bringing that to a vote. I haven't decided if I'll vote
for it or not. I don't like member-only perks, because Grex is not a
fee-for-service organization. But I'm interested to find out how the rest
of the membership feels about it.
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naftee
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response 31 of 182:
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Sep 8 03:06 UTC 2006 |
GreX is a fee-for-what organisation, then, Mark ?
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nharmon
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response 32 of 182:
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Sep 8 12:50 UTC 2006 |
Well, supposedly when you become a member you are doing so to support
Grex's mission (whatever that is). Its like, you don't become a member
of the Humane Society to get free dog care.
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tod
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response 33 of 182:
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Sep 9 00:42 UTC 2006 |
Speaking of dog car, I took my son to the Ringling Bros circus last night and
there were filthy hippy picketers outside with mangled animal photos on their
picket signs. Quicker than you can say "The kid from Detroit called the pigs
on you", the boys in blue came out in force and made them hide their signs
and stand out of the way so we could go inside to watch the tortured and
abused dogs/cats run around on their hindlegs for treats.
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cross
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response 34 of 182:
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Sep 9 04:22 UTC 2006 |
Ruff ruff.
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tod
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response 35 of 182:
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Sep 9 15:30 UTC 2006 |
The point I was getting at was that porn is not the only type of image people
might take offense at.
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trig
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response 36 of 182:
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Sep 9 19:50 UTC 2006 |
steve, as useless you are and as smart as scholar is you should just fess up
to your wrong doing with a gmail account of his, crawl under some rock, and
fuck off. you are an annoying fat pig with an attitude that just won't die
all for no reason. :(
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other
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response 37 of 182:
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Sep 10 06:13 UTC 2006 |
Wow. Reading #36 is like a peek into bizarro-world.
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twenex
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response 38 of 182:
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Sep 10 11:30 UTC 2006 |
Amein.
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steve
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response 39 of 182:
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Sep 12 01:44 UTC 2006 |
The problem with this is how to implement it, time wise.
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cross
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response 40 of 182:
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Sep 12 10:51 UTC 2006 |
Just edit the apache config file and permit images.
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steve
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response 41 of 182:
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Sep 12 16:12 UTC 2006 |
Well sure, but I'm talking about how to implement the watching
of usage. If someone has a perfectly legitimate and neat site on
Grex that starts consuming 300M a day, we'd need to throttle that
back. Yeah, it isn't likely that we'll have something like that
here, but it could be, if it got slashdotted or something.
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mcnally
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response 42 of 182:
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Sep 12 17:24 UTC 2006 |
Here's another reason why I don't think image hosting is a good idea
for Grex: common carrier status.
Right now, at least according to my limited understanding of the hazy
world of computer and internet law, Cyberspace Communications is not
legally responsible for things that are posted on Grex because we
exercise no content-specific editorial discretion (i.e. permitting some
things, forbidding others.) As an open system where people can post
what they want (subject to whatever *content-neutral* rules we impose)
we are afforded a certain measure of protection under the law as a
"common carrier."
If we start changing the rules from "no images" to "no offensive images"
we lose (or at the very least jeopardize) that common carrier protection.
It would be better, therefore, if the image policy is changed to allow
people to host whatever images they want (subject, again, to whatever
*content-neutral* rules we impose regarding size, total download bandwidth,
etc..) And in the end I think that a policy like that is going to wind
up attracting a bunch of people who will use a lot of our bandwidth to
serve stuff that I personally would find creepy. Consequently I'm not
very fond of the idea and would rather not get into that sort of
service to start with. But if people are determined that we should do
it, we should do it in as open a manner as possible and one that protects
the Grex organization according to our best understanding of the law.
The legal aspects, in fact, might be important enough that it'd be worth
paying a lawyer to provide a professional opinion on the matter.
Anyway, that's my two cents..
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steve
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response 43 of 182:
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Sep 12 17:27 UTC 2006 |
Yeah, I think thats right.
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glenda
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response 44 of 182:
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Sep 13 10:01 UTC 2006 |
There are so many other places where people can post images for free that I
see no real need to add them here. People have images that they want seen,
post them on one of the multitudes of free image sites out there and post a
link here if they like. We don't need the headache or possible legal
nightmare.
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cross
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response 45 of 182:
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Sep 13 21:27 UTC 2006 |
There's no NEED, but people WANT it. Why not? Other sites do it without the
amount of worrying that grex does, and don't seem to have big problems.
As for how to monitor usage, just write a script that looks at the logs; there
are plenty of them out there already, even. I'm sure the apache config file
can be configured to limit the size of image files.
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steve
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response 46 of 182:
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Sep 13 23:47 UTC 2006 |
The problem isn't just with Apache, its the problem that once
people hear of Grex allowing graphical images, they will be
shoveling file in, thinking its OK.
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cross
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response 47 of 182:
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Sep 14 01:08 UTC 2006 |
You think so? That hasn't appeared to happen to other sites, necessarily.
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steve
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response 48 of 182:
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Sep 14 03:35 UTC 2006 |
Dan, people already use Grex to a) share graphic files, b) get graphica
file and ship them home, c) put web sites up that use them (it doesn't
work but still costs us the bandwidth to get them here). I see this
every day. So yes, I believe what I said.
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naftee
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response 49 of 182:
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Sep 14 04:28 UTC 2006 |
re 45 You'd have to get valerie back if you want any scripts written around
here.
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