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salad
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response 25 of 163:
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Feb 29 01:54 UTC 2004 |
It was abuse.
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cyklone
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response 26 of 163:
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Feb 29 03:33 UTC 2004 |
Denying me access to MY WORDS was, and continues to be, abuse.
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gelinas
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response 27 of 163:
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Feb 29 03:35 UTC 2004 |
How is denying you access to your words an abuse when deleting the 'greek
week' items was not?
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rational
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response 28 of 163:
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Feb 29 03:53 UTC 2004 |
(because we all know Greek Week was wrong. cyklone didn't do anything was
wrong.)
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salad
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response 29 of 163:
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Feb 29 04:29 UTC 2004 |
(you should english speak-write before greek
)
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cyklone
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response 30 of 163:
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Feb 29 13:49 UTC 2004 |
Re #27: The words I posted in no way abused the system.
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jmsaul
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response 31 of 163:
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Feb 29 14:44 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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rational
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response 32 of 163:
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Feb 29 14:51 UTC 2004 |
sleip.
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jmsaul
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response 33 of 163:
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Feb 29 14:57 UTC 2004 |
Re #24: Use of staff powers for your personal benefit is clear abuse.
(Valerie's deletion of the baby items.) Use of staff powers
unilaterally, when you know the staff is trying to make a
collective decision about that very action, is abuse. (Her
deletion of the divorce items.)
The vote results were less an endorsement of her actions than a
statement that people were tired of the controversy, and wanted
it to stop. Grexers don't like confrontations.
Unfortunately, the net result is that she abused her staff
privileges twice, and got everything she wanted out of it.
That's a bad precedent -- and it *is* a precedent in the context
of how staff misbehavior is handled, even if it isn't a precedent
about non-staff getting items deleted. The precedent is that
staff misbehavior is rewarded by allowing your actions to stand.
(And before anyone claims that she was punished by getting thrown
off staff, remember that she was tired of being on staff anyway.)
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remmers
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response 34 of 163:
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Feb 29 16:01 UTC 2004 |
We know that the vote result was not to restore the items. We can speculate
as to why people voted that way, but since voters aren't required to reveal
their reasons, we don't really know. Most of the people who voted weren't
active participants in the discussions.
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jp2
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response 35 of 163:
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Feb 29 16:22 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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jmsaul
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response 36 of 163:
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Feb 29 17:36 UTC 2004 |
Re #34: Yes, guesses as to the reasoning behind votes are speculative.
Grex has always had a strong tendency to vote to keep things the
way they are and not rock the boat, however, so it's a reasonable
speculation.
My main point, though, is that the end result was to give Valerie
everything she wanted -- which is not the way to discourage staff
abuse in the future.
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mary
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response 37 of 163:
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Feb 29 18:42 UTC 2004 |
One of the things I'm most sure about here is that Valerie's actions will
NOT encourage other staff members to do the same.. Think about it, Grex,
the community, took a big hit. It will take a long time for hard feelings
to heal. Valerie is off staff and even if she wanted her status returned
I profoundly doubt that would happen. She is off the system and is
probably aware her returning here, for the near future at least, would be
a mistake.
If there was any confusion as to who has the right to remove another's
text it's probably been made a whole lot clearer.
So I'm not particularly worried about some staff member deciding to follow
in Valerie's footsteps.
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jp2
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response 38 of 163:
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Feb 29 19:44 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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remmers
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response 39 of 163:
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Feb 29 20:10 UTC 2004 |
How many of you?
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jmsaul
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response 40 of 163:
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Feb 29 20:13 UTC 2004 |
I guess it depends on whether anyone currently on the staff has as poor
impulse control as Valerie had, or is as tired of being on staff as she
was.
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salad
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response 41 of 163:
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Feb 29 20:47 UTC 2004 |
I am profoundly scared of the staff.
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rational
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response 42 of 163:
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Feb 29 21:07 UTC 2004 |
I agree.
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jmsaul
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response 43 of 163:
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Feb 29 22:14 UTC 2004 |
(#39 slipped. I'm not especially afraid of the staff, but I would have been
happier if Grex had taken the stance that they'd undo abuses instead of
letting them stand.)
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jp2
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response 44 of 163:
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Feb 29 22:52 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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cyklone
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response 45 of 163:
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Feb 29 23:28 UTC 2004 |
Re #37: I think we are on the same side in this controversy, so don't take
this the wrong way: My hard feelings will probably last until my words in
jep's item are returned to my control. They don't have to be returned in the
context of restoring his item, although that is the correct solution. What
I am refering to is the ADDITIONAL insult of not having control over my own
words even when NONE of the reasons for non-restoration apply to denying
authors access to their own words.
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mary
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response 46 of 163:
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Mar 1 00:33 UTC 2004 |
Part of being an adult is realizing you can't always have
it go your way no matter how badly you want it and how
"right" you feel you are. It's time to move on. Doing
so doesn't diminish what you value and it just might mean
next time you want to be part of a discussion, that folks
will still be listening to what you say.
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rational
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response 47 of 163:
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Mar 1 00:36 UTC 2004 |
Realizing he can't always have it his way isn't the same as knowing he SHOULD
have it his way when he's correct, Mary. You know that.
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mary
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response 48 of 163:
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Mar 1 00:46 UTC 2004 |
I *knew* that when I was four.
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rational
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response 49 of 163:
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Mar 1 01:48 UTC 2004 |
Why don't you know it now?
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