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response 25 of 69:
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Nov 8 14:13 UTC 2001 |
Hmm... If this much-ballyhooed merging of Grex and M-Net ever happened
(yeah, right) we could make M-Net the image server.
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keesan
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response 26 of 69:
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Nov 8 14:14 UTC 2001 |
In theory, I could convert an image to a string of 0s and 1s and then zip that
and post it and instruct people how to unzip it into a BW image. Maybe I will
try that while people are discussing whether to allow images, just for fun.
I think I can get it from a bmp to a BW gif to a bmp, but what then?
Does anyone want to volunteer their ISP web space for use by other grexers
to post images sent them by e-mail? I could do this starting in January if
I decided to get another ISP then (30M space). I would accept only images
of a size that fits through grex email (under 70K). Posting on geocities is
just too much trouble.
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keesan
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response 27 of 69:
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Nov 8 14:15 UTC 2001 |
Does M-Net allow images in www? They give people 750K (?) disk space free.
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remmers
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response 28 of 69:
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Nov 8 17:31 UTC 2001 |
I think M-Net allows images, but I'm not 100% sure.
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pthomas
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response 29 of 69:
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Nov 8 18:28 UTC 2001 |
Yes, we do.
Furthermore, on the porn issue...there are better free places where people
can post/store their porn than this. Don't worry about it.
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dunne
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response 30 of 69:
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Nov 8 19:39 UTC 2001 |
#26: Posting to geocities too much trouble? Sindi, the time you've
taken to get all exercised about this issue here *could* have been
better used in learning how to use ftp. As an exercise, I took
time out, created a geocities account, and ftp'ed a file there.
Easy peasy. http://www.geocities.com/odoinn. Of course, there
are plenty of other web-hosting services if geocities don't suit:
try a google search for "free webhosting". I'm all in favour of not
taking the rules as carved in stone, but really, there are perfectly
good reasons for not having images on grex, and I can't see what your
problem is with that, given that there are plenty of alternatives.
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response 31 of 69:
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Nov 8 19:48 UTC 2001 |
Ahh, but did you do all the steps of that account creation process in DOS
based software (non java/javascript browser, &c, &c &c?)
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dunne
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response 32 of 69:
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Nov 8 19:55 UTC 2001 |
#31: lynx 2.8.3 under linux 2.2.17. No javascript, no pack-drill.
You do have to look at a prety picture as part of opening the account,
but it's possible to download and view it. Actually, geocities rather
impressed me as being OS - neutral. Of course, if one insists on
using CP/M 2.2, one may have problems.... But all that's needed is
a broswer and an ftp client.
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keesan
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response 33 of 69:
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Nov 8 20:26 UTC 2001 |
I did sign up for geocities using lynx 2.8.3 after downloading the picture
(of a word or number). That worked fine. But I could not get any of my ftp
programs to upload files to geocities - Nettamer, Clarkson University (part
of Arachne). Nettamer, Arachne, Skipper and Lynx were incapable of using the
Easy Upload method, which may need javascript or more probably Windows.
These FTP programs all worked fine to and from grex. Have you tried DOS-based
ftp to Geocities? Or a DOS-based browser and Easy Upload?
Lynx also works fine to create and modify index.html at geocities.
Arachne managed to upload a small text file but seems to have problems with
large attachments of any sort. I think this was Easy Upload. After a few
hours of this I gave up and tried Netscape and occasionally it works but
usually crashes (with 16M RAM - it runs okay with 8 otherwise).
May I sent you (Paul Dunne) a copy of the Clarkson U FTP program (you need
something like DOSPPP to dial first) to try it out, or can you try with
Nettamer to FTP?
Do non-paying grexers have outgoing FTP privileges on grex? (I know they
don't have incoming FTP).
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dunne
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response 34 of 69:
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Nov 8 20:38 UTC 2001 |
#33:
Well, what's the error message? And have you tried asking geocities
support? ftp is a standard Internet protocol; it *can't* matter what
OS you are using, if your client is implementing the protocol correctly.
The account I used is an existing yahoo account, rather than one created
specifically to make a homepage; perhaps that makes a difference?
Javascript is not required for easy upload; file upload was originally
a netscape "enhancement" to the standard, as I recall, so netscape and
IE and maybe others can do it; but not lynx. It doesn't need Windows;
my linux netscape can do it.
Pointless sending me DOS internet programs, as I don't have a native DOS
box (I could run them under dosemu, but I don't fancy trying to get an
Internet connection established with that!).
No, I can't ftp out from here -- but I *can* ftp in.
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steve
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response 35 of 69:
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Nov 8 20:40 UTC 2001 |
Speaking as someone who has already cleaned up in excess of *100* starting
porn sites on Grex over the years, I can personally attest to the fact that
port idiots WILL sprout up on Grex, and have already. They don't bother to test
whether it will work here or not, before FTPing vast sums of pictures. Thus
I must take issue with #29's "Don't worry about it". I do worry about it and
know that on Grex at least, it is an issue. If we ever allow pictures to be
served from here we will always be on the lookout for porn folks.
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keesan
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response 36 of 69:
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Nov 8 20:49 UTC 2001 |
Paul, thanks for trying to help. Apparently Nettamer, Arachne, Lynx and
Skipper cannot handle whatever HTML geocities is requiring. I see things like
'not yet implemented' rather than what I ought to see.
Apparently a non-paying grex account cannot ftp files to elsewhere -
permission denied.
I just checked out the Clarkson ftp program. I type ftp ftp.geocities.com
as instructed and it connects. I then type binary (it freezes up but I can
exit from it with Ctl-Break). I then type put plus the path and file name
on my computer and it thinks they are in my geocities acocunt (cannot find
/sindijim/e:/images/gifs/keesan.gif. I try put
file:///e:\images\gifs\keesan.gif and it tells me 'cannot open file to
transfer'. I suspect I do not know how to use ftp so please help!!!!
(I also had to enter geocities id and password a while back).
I tried mput (whatever that is) with no results - it freezes again.
I try typing just put and it asks me file: etc.
I used Nettamer and followed instructions for uploading a binary file and it
would not upload, I forget why.
I will go check out mnet for images and ftp.
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dunne
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response 37 of 69:
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Nov 8 21:01 UTC 2001 |
#36
> I then type put plus the path
> and file name on my computer and it thinks they are in my geocities
> acocunt (cannot find /sindijim/e:/images/gifs/keesan.gif. I try put
> file:///e:\images\gifs\keesan.gif and it tells me 'cannot open file
> to transfer'. I suspect I do not know how to use ftp so please help!!!!
Yes, this is your problem! ftp is a bit naive about pathnames. So,
cd into the directory which contains the files you want to upload --
either use "lcd pathname" within ftp, or change to that directory
before you start ftp (I think DOS has the concept of "current working
directory"). When you use put, you should be giving it just the filename.
Well actually, you can type "put pathname remotename", where pathname is
the full path that you've been using, and remote name is just the filename
you want geocities to use -- that *should* work, but I haven't tried it;
you can if my other suggestion doesn't work.
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keesan
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response 38 of 69:
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Nov 8 22:21 UTC 2001 |
Ftp worked. I dialed the ISP. Switched to the subdirectory containing the
gifs. Ran ftp by typing the pathname before the command name
(c:\directory\ftp). Typed i (which for Kermit sets it to binary) and it told
me something about interactive mode - what is that? Typed bin and it set
things to binary mode. Typed put and the filename. A 15K file transferred
in just a few seconds. With Netscape, on the rare occasions that it works,
it takes forever. Can I upload using filenames with ? or * in them so as to
give one command to upload many files at once?
I have 10M in my geocities account and am willing to post small images for
other grexers there (up to 70K per grexer) that they email to me.
I will now go use lynx 2.8.2 (newlynx) to move two gifs into a subdirectory
at geocities and edit my index.html to link it to them. And then edit my home
page on grex to link to the same files.
Geocities did not bother answering when I wrote about ftp not working.
I can also take jpg photos of local grexers who want to use them at their
webpages. 640x480, 16M colors. Smile!
Why did Drew and Mark want images at grex?
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blaise
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response 39 of 69:
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Nov 8 22:38 UTC 2001 |
To transfer multiple files at once using ? and *, you need to use the
mput/mget commands. (mget filespec transfers all files matching filespec from
the remote computer to your local computer, while mput filespec transfers all
files matching filespec from your local computer to the remote computer.)
Most FTP programs will prompt you about each file when using mget/mput; to
prevent that, use the command "prompt off".
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keesan
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response 40 of 69:
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Nov 8 22:47 UTC 2001 |
Thanks, you answered two of my questions at one time. Ftp turns out to be
quite a bit faster and easier to use than the editor at geocities. I wish
I could just move files around and rename and delete them at geocities with
commands instead of having to click on their menu choices. But they don't
offer a telnet option, just ftp (I think).
You can see my site (complete with blank lines and periods in the wrong
places) at www.geocities.com/sindijim. Created mostly using lynx at grex (but
at one point I went to the library and wrote up the commentary there, and most
of the files were uploaded the slow way, with Netscape).
Is it worth putting into the instructions for creating home pages on grex that
you can also use free webspace at geocities and other locations? (Which other
ones actually work? The first two I tried never sent back confirmation
emails.) The tricky part is to download and view the mystery word during
registration. Easier to go to the library and use a graphical browser.
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pthomas
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response 41 of 69:
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Nov 8 23:30 UTC 2001 |
35: And allowing images would change this...how? Don't publicise that you
allow images, that's just asking for trouble. We don't.
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mdw
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response 42 of 69:
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Nov 8 23:45 UTC 2001 |
So you are asserting that m-net, a very popular site which allows web
images, never has any problems with porn?
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pthomas
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response 43 of 69:
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Nov 8 23:55 UTC 2001 |
I never made any such assertions. Furthermore, if we have had problems
with pornography, I am unaware of them. Generally our disk quotas are low
enough that users cannot feasibly run a porn site with more than a few
images.
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jp2
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response 44 of 69:
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Nov 9 00:39 UTC 2001 |
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pthomas
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response 45 of 69:
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Nov 9 00:46 UTC 2001 |
I agree, but it could open up liability issues (think AFA.)
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jp2
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response 46 of 69:
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Nov 9 01:32 UTC 2001 |
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pthomas
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response 47 of 69:
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Nov 9 02:13 UTC 2001 |
Never underestimate the stupidity of the AFA. They could cook up
something, I'm sure, or at least get the IRS to investigate us. I can
imagine their "Action Alert" - "Federally sanctioned nonprofit
organisation purveyor of porn! Write IRS to get them to revoke nonprofit
status!"
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carson
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response 48 of 69:
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Nov 9 05:17 UTC 2001 |
If I recall correctly, M-Net has the advantage of being able to enforce
disk quotas through software, as opposed to relying on the vigilance of
its staff.
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pthomas
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response 49 of 69:
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Nov 9 13:17 UTC 2001 |
Why couldn't Grex implement a similar system?
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