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cmcgee
response 25 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 20:11 UTC 1998

Yep, I one thing I REALLY like about grex is the fact that we are a coop with
a low-income membership ($0) and a modest-income membership ($6/month).  And
being a low-income member doesnt give you a much different set of options.
Let's keep the difference as small as possible.  
scg
response 26 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 20:30 UTC 1998

The multiple IP address in a distributed environment wouldn't be a huge
problem, I think.  We could just give each login machine multiple IP
addresses.  We are still stuck with the other technical limitations.

Still, even if we could do this easily technically, I would think it is a bad
idea.
keesan
response 27 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 23:29 UTC 1998

Is it possible to purchase more bandwidth, in case more people decided to join
and we therefore had more money?  What does the internet connection cost?
valerie
response 28 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 13:12 UTC 1998

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keesan
response 29 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 22:28 UTC 1998

Is it possible to install a second computer just for party?  What are most
users doing on grex at any particular time?

At $225/month, with 112 members it would be an extra $2/month.  Are there
members who cannot afford $2/month to double internet bandwidth?

Excuse me if I am asking stupid questions, I don't know how grex works.
janc
response 30 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 22:43 UTC 1998

Grex is certainly likely to evolve toward using multiple servers for different
purposes.  However, it isn't likely to do so unless we can find ways to bring
in a bit more steady income.
scg
response 31 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 23:08 UTC 1998

$225 per month would give us the same speed Internet connection we have now,
at market rates.  To double that capacity, we would have to at least double
the $225 per month, since the line costs from Ameritech go way once you get
past the ISDN and DS0 range.
valerie
response 32 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 14:22 UTC 1998

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keesan
response 33 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 21:09 UTC 1998

I had thought there was some sort of longish wait to telnet in, and that it
might be possible to shorten it somehow by improving the internet connection.
But I will leave those decisions to the experts.  Will go try w and see if
I can understand what it gives me.
scott
response 34 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 21:28 UTC 1998

The wait to get in is artifical; we added it.  Before that, people would just
get a failure when trying to connect at peak useage times.  Grex has a limited
number of telnet connections available; this is partially an operating system
limitation, but one we take advantage of by only allowing a certain number
of telnet sessions at once.  If we didn't limit the number of simultaneous
connections, the Grex CPU would run excessively slow trying to run everybody's
processes.  Therefore, we only allow a certain number of people at once.
keesan
response 35 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 21:58 UTC 1998

Is there some way to let the CPu handle more processes at once by using a
second machine for some of them?
aruba
response 36 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 14 05:07 UTC 1998

I'd like to steer this item back in the direction of ideas for getting 
more members, if possible, and ask that if folks want to discuss 
technical ways to make Grex faster or more accessible, they take it to 
a separate item.

I feel kind of bad about this, because I know that when danr was 
treasurer, he took a much more active role in trying to recruit new 
members than I have.  I knew this when I became treasurer, too, and I 
told everyone that I was no salesman, and would like there to be a 
separate Membership Chair to be the point-person on getting new 
members.  The Board agreed that that would be a good idea, but so far 
that hasn't worked out, and the need for action has increased with our 
costs.

Let's put this on the agenda for the next board meeting, shall we?  
And someone should try to summarize the ideas in this item.  (If no 
one beats me to it, I will make a summary next time I'm on.)
mta
response 37 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 14 12:41 UTC 1998

Has anybody considered whether to take me up on my idea?
valerie
response 38 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 14 20:20 UTC 1998

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mta
response 39 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 15 12:49 UTC 1998

I offered to donate a T-shirt and shipping costs for a drawing to be held
amongst all the folks who join as members for at least one year during the
months of May and June in honour of Grexes birthday --to have the T in time to
wear to the b'day bash.
valerie
response 40 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 15 14:50 UTC 1998

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scott
response 41 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 16 10:56 UTC 1998

Sounds fine to me too.
mta
response 42 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 17 11:50 UTC 1998

Ok, where's the motd file?  I'll announce it there.
dang
response 43 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 17 16:31 UTC 1998

In /etc
dpc
response 44 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 17 19:44 UTC 1998

My prediction is that with the terrific new hardware/software we
should see a dramatic *increase* in members over the next few months
even without doing active recruiting.  I hope.
mta
response 45 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 18 11:08 UTC 1998

Yeah -- but this is also a good time for outreach to those folks who might
not otherwise consider how this free service is paid for.
dpc
response 46 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 25 00:43 UTC 1998

You're right, Misti.
lilmo
response 47 of 50: Mark Unseen   May 26 22:12 UTC 1998

So, we're going to let Misti run with her idea, and see if it does any good
before discussing anything else?
aruba
response 48 of 50: Mark Unseen   May 26 22:54 UTC 1998

We discussed quite a few ideas at the last board meeting (I read a 
summary of this item), and the consensus was that the one we want to try 
first is sending mail to users who are not members on their 3-month, 
6-month, 9-month, etc. anniversaries, explaining what Grex is about and 
asking them to consider supporting us.

Here's what needs to be done to get that going (as I understand it):

1. Someone needs to get MSQL to run on Grex.
2. Someone needs to teach Newuser (and Web Newuser) to put data about
   newusers in an MSQL database.
3. Someone needs to write a program to read the database and identify
   those users who passed one of the 3-month anniversaries since
   the last time the program was run, and send them mail if they are not
   members already.
4. We need to decide on the text of the message to send.

Valerie volunteered to do steps 1 and 2, and Jan volunteered to do step
3.  When I get back to town, I may be able to help with some of that 
too.  As for step 4, someone should write a draft for the message and 
post it here in coop, for people to critique.  If no one does that 
before I get back, I'll give it a shot.
lilmo
response 49 of 50: Mark Unseen   May 28 21:11 UTC 1998

Ahh...  the things one misses from not being in AA, eh?
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