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srw
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response 25 of 134:
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Jan 6 03:21 UTC 1998 |
Once your conf is created, you may want to design its appearance in backtalk,
too.
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mdw
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response 26 of 134:
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Jan 6 07:20 UTC 1998 |
How would this differ from the "hardware" cf?
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rcurl
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response 27 of 134:
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Jan 6 07:29 UTC 1998 |
There would be lots of overlap with hardware, dwelling, laundry, radio,
health...and probably some more that don't come to mind. But I don't
mind. I would always use the more specific .cf, or ask to have a link to
it, if appropriate.
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valerie
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response 28 of 134:
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Jan 6 18:46 UTC 1998 |
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scott
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response 29 of 134:
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Jan 6 19:58 UTC 1998 |
A lot of strange things get covered in "hardware", not just computers.
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keesan
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response 30 of 134:
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Jan 6 20:17 UTC 1998 |
I will go look at hardware and try, from all the information given above, to
understand what is involved in starting a conference. What is a fair witness?
Valerie is right, there are a lot of repair problems in Dwelling. I will wait
a few days and then try to write something up and get more help. Do we want
to include people in items to be repaired? If so, does this include both
physical health and broken hearts? I would suggest only inanimate objects.
Thank you all for all the information, I will probably need lots of help as
I have only been using the bbs for a couple of weeks.
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keesan
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response 31 of 134:
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Jan 6 20:35 UTC 1998 |
I looked at the beginning of hardware, and it seems to be limited to
computers. Perhaps computers should not be included in a repairs conference
since they have their own? Do It Yourself could include making things,
repairing things, and offering to share advice in areas in which you are
skilled. It fits alphabetically between consumer and dwelling in the consumer
related section and could be linked (however you do that) to laundry, radio,
dwelling, computer hardware, environment, and whatever else seems appropriate.
Health seems to have enough of its own space. Nobody appears to be writing
in much to the health conference unless their health needs repairs. My
roommate fixes bikes, which could also be linked. Is there a clothing
conference? Clothes also need fixing. Today someone asked if we could fix
cats - I suggest that this not be included here. Or fixing meals.
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davel
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response 32 of 134:
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Jan 6 21:38 UTC 1998 |
I'd hope you won't automatically exclude computers, but do some browsing in
the hardware cf & link pretty selectively.
You don't link *conferences*, you link *items*. Initially the item was
entered in some one conference. A FW in another conference can link that item
into that conference. It's then equally in both conferences, with all its
responses. If it's killed in one (either) at some later point, it will
still exist in the other. (Since the underlying Unix mechanism allows you
to tell that a file has multiple links but not (easily) what they are,
Picospan can (& does) tell you that the item is linked, but not what other
conferences it's in.)
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mary
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response 33 of 134:
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Jan 6 21:43 UTC 1998 |
Isn't all of this covered in the ING conference? ;-)
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keesan
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response 34 of 134:
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Jan 6 23:47 UTC 1998 |
I will look at the ING conference to see.
What is a fair witness and where do I find a volunteer?
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scott
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response 35 of 134:
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Jan 6 23:54 UTC 1998 |
At thi simplest, a fairwitness is a caretaker, although FWs do tend to try
to stimulate conversation by entering or linking items from other areas. A
FW has some functions not available to regular items, such as being able to
kill any items in the conf (not just their own items), link items, set the
enter/exit screens.
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keesan
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response 36 of 134:
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Jan 6 23:54 UTC 1998 |
The ING conference appears to be mainly sports and recreation, not actually
making or fixing anything. So far, I have only run across repairs for housing
and computers. Where does one write in with a broken vacuum cleaner or chair
or washing machine or answering machine? Or to offer to help with building
a canoe or birdhouse?
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keesan
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response 37 of 134:
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Jan 6 23:57 UTC 1998 |
Where do I find someone to be a fair witness? I obviously am not qualified
if I can't tell a conference from an item. It should probably be someone with
some repair skills as well as conference skills.
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scott
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response 38 of 134:
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Jan 7 00:22 UTC 1998 |
Nah, you can learn as you go. FW is *not* a techie role.
(I'm not sure of the history of the ING conference, but it serves as a place
to discuss things that "end in ing". I found it FW-less a year or two ago,
and declared myself FW)
A DIY conf would be cool.
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arthurp
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response 39 of 134:
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Jan 7 03:58 UTC 1998 |
Sounds cool. I'd add it to my cflist. As to the FW thing, that list of
commands from coop 26 or where ever should be enough to figure out what
you need to know. This is a neat idea.
(Hardware seems to be for things electronic or maybe electric. Subtle
difference from computers.
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n8nxf
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response 40 of 134:
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Jan 7 12:34 UTC 1998 |
A DIY conference does sound interesting. I want to do a DIY air to air
heat exchanger.
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keesan
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response 41 of 134:
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Jan 7 18:45 UTC 1998 |
Scott, I just asked you (under storm windows) to be a fair witness. Klaus,
same request to you. I don't think a new member should be doing this alone.
There would definitely be a lot of overlap with dwellings and hardware. But
I suppose I could figure out eventually what to do in writing up something
(how do I draw a wrench?) and how to link items. Somewhere we have plans for
a heat exchanger, but we are planning to use a central dehumidifier and air
cleaner instead, which conserves a lot more heat.
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keesan
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response 42 of 134:
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Jan 7 19:29 UTC 1998 |
I suggest that computer hardware not be included in this conference. Please
vote on whether home building and repairs should be included, as Dwellings
seems to be mostly about this, and most of the Dwellings items would be linked
to Do It Yourself. If we omit computers and houses, should we include large
appliances other than furnaces and water heaters, these being stoves,
refrigerators, washing machines, and the like, or just small appliances like
vacuum cleaners, waffle irons, hair curling devices, lamps, power tools, space
heaters, fans, and other more portable things like furniture, clothing,
vehicles, audio and video equipment, and office equipment other than
computers? (Or is there still any office equipment not considered a form of
computer hardware?) Is there some other conference for auto repair? If there
is, I suggest not including cars in this one. Anything else that could be
omitted, or would people like everything included, even computers?
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scott
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response 43 of 134:
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Jan 7 20:55 UTC 1998 |
I'd be happy to be co-fw.
However, I'd most likely link very little to start with, just to see if the
new conf develops its own set of items w/o help.
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keesan
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response 44 of 134:
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Jan 7 22:55 UTC 1998 |
Thanks Scott, and please give me your opinion on whether to include home
building and repair, and computer hardware, which seem to have their own
spots, and auto repair. This weekend I will try to write something up, and
do I post it here for suggested changes?
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scott
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response 45 of 134:
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Jan 8 01:38 UTC 1998 |
Actually leave as simple as you can, since then it can evolve instead of being
defined too closely. Just "DIY" and see what happens. Traditionally, the
first item sets the mood, then people just enter items as they have questions
or projects.
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keesan
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response 46 of 134:
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Jan 8 02:00 UTC 1998 |
But will that leave any topics for Dwelling? Or will everything in Dwelling
be linked to DIY? I may note in the introduction that these conferences also
cover building and repairs.
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dang
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response 47 of 134:
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Jan 8 04:07 UTC 1998 |
Sure. People who are thinking in terms of homes will look in dwellings.
People who are thinking in terms of fix-it will look in DIY. I agree with
Scott. Let it run for a while and see what comes up.
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valerie
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response 48 of 134:
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Jan 8 04:21 UTC 1998 |
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n8nxf
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response 49 of 134:
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Jan 8 12:30 UTC 1998 |
In all honesty, I don't seeing what my being a fw would help? At this
point I am trying my best to stay away from more responsibility. I
would rather be entering my thoughts in the DIY conference than trying
to decide if this item belongs it it or not, etc. I don't see how adding
me as a fair whitness would improve the quality of the conference in any
way. I also feel that keesan has all she needs to be a fw. It does not
take a lick of technical know-how to be a fw. (At least not the way I
define technical ;-)
I am also pretty neutral about creating a DIY conference. We have a lot
of related conferences on this system that see very little input. Part
of me would like to also see a reclamation process where dead conferences
are rolled into a related conference and the dead one killed. Perhaps
old, outdated, inactive items should also be archived so that a new user
isn't presented with a list of topics, several pages long, where the
latest response for 50% of them was five years ago and has no informative
content.
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