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Grex > Coop10 > #11: The Medium-Range Planning Item |  |
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krj
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response 25 of 54:
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Jul 3 16:30 UTC 1997 |
Let's have some more dreams about what Grex should be in 1-3 years.
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valerie
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response 26 of 54:
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Jul 3 16:46 UTC 1997 |
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nt
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response 27 of 54:
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Jul 4 03:19 UTC 1997 |
#26 thanx :)
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valerie
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response 28 of 54:
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Jul 16 14:00 UTC 1997 |
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tsty
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response 29 of 54:
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Jul 18 04:15 UTC 1997 |
one ignored medium range action would have beenfor the cfadm in
atrining and also new coop fw, void to have had the opportunity
and experience of changing the conferences and aslo changing the fws.
but, noooooooooooooooooooo, the gun was jumped.
so now you have had the chance to train someone new ---adn stiffed her.
...and ALSO install the WRONG fws for coop.cf.
don't we feel just so proud?
where the hell did 'respect go'?
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valerie
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response 30 of 54:
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Jul 18 15:04 UTC 1997 |
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srw
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response 31 of 54:
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Jul 20 20:50 UTC 1997 |
I'd like to see the dialup users have the (additional, optional) ability
to access some of the services that only our internet users can access.
This would require that we allow PPP connections upon dialup. We could
make these non-routed connections, so that users would not be able to
access services this way except those provided on our own subnet.
Advantages:
(1) Dialup users could see our web pages, and use Backtalk if they
preferred.
(2) It would be much easier for us to provide distributed services that
way.
(3) We could add POP mail service for these users. It is still arguable
whether it is a good idea to provide POP over the internet, but if we
had implemented a mail bandwidth limiter, we could conceivably do that
as well.
Users would thus have access to much better interfaces than they do now,
providing that they have computers which can support PPP. Only really
old computers can't do this.
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dang
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response 32 of 54:
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Jul 20 23:45 UTC 1997 |
I would very much like to see this too. I prefer greatly to use backtalk to
do my cfing, but I can't as I dial up to Grexes modems all the time.
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scg
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response 33 of 54:
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Jul 21 02:35 UTC 1997 |
The Chase IOLan terminal server we have supports PPP connections. That could
be set up fairly easily, I think.
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remmers
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response 34 of 54:
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Jul 21 10:58 UTC 1997 |
Interesting idea. Of course, dialup users can access backtalk
and grex's web pages now via lynx, but that ain't the same as
accessing them via their own browser, which PPP would make
possible.
How annoying would a restriction to grex's subnet be, though?
Dialup users wouldn't be able to follow any of the hyperlinks
that show up in backtalk and grex's or users' web pages. Would
they be able to see the graphics on the web pages (Grex logo,
buttons in the pistachio interface, etc.) if they continue to
be served from elsewhere?
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janc
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response 35 of 54:
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Jul 21 14:33 UTC 1997 |
We'd have to set things up so that dialup users get their button images served
from Grex. At some point I hope to make this configurable, so that regular
backtalk users can unpack a collection of images on their home computers and
serve them from their own machine.
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valerie
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response 36 of 54:
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Jul 21 14:34 UTC 1997 |
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valerie
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response 37 of 54:
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Jul 21 14:34 UTC 1997 |
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remmers
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response 38 of 54:
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Jul 21 18:20 UTC 1997 |
I agree that the restriction is necessary. Without it, we'd
become something we can't afford to be and don't want to be.
This is the "medium-range planning" item, so maybe this next it
a little off-topic, but I just want to remark that the claim made
in #33 that Backtalk is a "nicer interface" than the standard tty-
based interface to Picospan is debatable. Without disparaging the
tremendous job Steve and Jan did in creating Backtalk, the fact
remains that there are things that I and others like to do in
Picospan that just aren't possible via Backtalk with the current
interfaces, e.g. various kinds of browsing (the equivalents of
"browse new", "browse since -1", etc.), doing a "!" escape to
run a Unix command (!tel, !mail, !pwho, !who, etc.), and piping
Picospan output through filters (I tend to do "browse all | 'grep string"
fairly often).
The lack of Backtalk equivalents to various useful Picospan
commands is remediable, since Backtalk has a very flexible
mechanism for creating new interfaces. The lack of connection
to the "rest of Grex" seems harder to address.
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dang
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response 39 of 54:
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Jul 21 22:23 UTC 1997 |
That's what your telnet window is for. :) Afterall, if you can run your
browser through the link, you can telnet too. I have no objection to
telnetting into Grex as long as I don't have to go through the link.
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scg
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response 40 of 54:
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Jul 22 05:05 UTC 1997 |
I can think of a number of DNS or routing based hacks that would make
BackTalk's images come from different places depending on whether people were
dialed into Grex's local terminal server or coming in over the Net, which
wouldn't require any modifications to BackTalk at all (and could also apply
equaly well to other graphics on Grex's web pages). Everything I can think
of for that sounds pretty ugly, though. As far as BackTalk goes, it might
be better for BackTalk to look at where a user is coming from and give
different image tags accordingly.
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remmers
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response 41 of 54:
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Jul 22 13:37 UTC 1997 |
Re #39: You're right of course, and that addresses the "doing
Unix commands" part of things, although not the "integration of
Unix functionality with Backtalk" part. (That could be an
interesting exercise in interface design...)
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valerie
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response 42 of 54:
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Jul 22 15:48 UTC 1997 |
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srw
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response 43 of 54:
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Jul 23 01:38 UTC 1997 |
At some point in time, we'd like to go over the functionality missing
from Backtalk that our most sophisticated picospan users (like John)
take advantage of. Ideally, we don't want Backtalk to be giving up many
features.
The backtalk's config file defines a symbol, /imghost, which is used as
a base URL for the images. That symbol is set up in
/usr/local/lib/backtalk/backtalk.conf. It is currently set up to point
to hvcn unconditionally. It could be defined conditionally. It does make
more sense for backtalk to make this distinction than to put in a DNS
hack or some other kludge.
I think there are other benefits that will accrue to local users besides
accessing Grex web pages and backtalk, btw. I'd like to see us support
POP so that local users can use local interfaces available for their
mail, too.
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awijaya
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response 44 of 54:
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Aug 19 16:29 UTC 1997 |
Hello, I have suggestion to offload the giant e-mail problems.
IMO the staff can put info about various info about free e-mail
service such as Juno, Hotmail, Bigfoot etc.
There are several free faster Lynx text browser service
accessible using telnet. You can download files using Kermit (77 cps).
You can send e-nmail using the service ("mailto:....)
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senna
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response 45 of 54:
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Aug 19 21:59 UTC 1997 |
Have we already mentioned that?
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dpc
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response 46 of 54:
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Aug 20 15:49 UTC 1997 |
Has it been done?
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dang
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response 47 of 54:
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Aug 20 20:28 UTC 1997 |
Staff routinely points people to hotmail, juno, etc. for email only service.
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tsty
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response 48 of 54:
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Aug 23 06:16 UTC 1997 |
... as do helpers... fwiw.
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lilmo
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response 49 of 54:
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Nov 11 02:44 UTC 1997 |
Good to see planning has been alive and well for ht elast two and a half
months. *ironic grin*
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