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rcurl
response 25 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 17:58 UTC 2010

Have all users been approached to join and support Grex? Many may not follow
the conferences (where there is not much persuasion to join, anyway). What
are the member only "perqs", for that matter? 
cross
response 26 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 18:14 UTC 2010

Voting.  Really, should there be anything else?
veek
response 27 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 19:54 UTC 2010

Re #25: what users?

*sigh* *in a slow dr0ning voice*

You need to get people interested in Unix and the Grex community. To do 
so: 
1. First you need to attract people here by offering things not found 
elsewhere. Firewall-checking scanner (wrapper around nmap), ping, 
traceroute, whois, dig, host, nslookup - with wrappers around all this. 
Geek magnet.
2. Customized domain name with web-space and e-mail: 
april.cyberspace.org with homepage templates - Chick magnet.
3. Create CSS flyers for easy printing so people can advertise - Chick 
magnet.
4. CGI/MySQL - Geek magnet.
5. Google access to forums and party - Chick & Geek magnet. Also 
attracts old ladies and, i guess, old geezers. Lots of advertisement 
with niche groups (gay forums, computers for kids, lifehacker, make 
magazine, IRC, wannabee hackers, Facebook, etc)
6. reduce the waiting time to a couple of seconds.
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None of them will pay.. when you have 50 people in 'who':

6. Some geeks will volunteer to help out, to impress the chicks. They 
may be conned into paying because they can stick it on their resume.
7. Take on 25 paying 'volunteers' and you can rest in peace, especially 
if you have 25 female volunteers. This may sound ridiculous to you BUT 
I TOLD YOU SO years ago! (and i can dig out the posts if you are so 
inclined) 

Check this out: http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?nullogic@sdf
http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?blakkat@sdf
http://hapiworm.feckov.org/me.jpg
http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?ellainix@sdf
and they have a facebook page with a few 100 more that are even hotter.
here are some more uglies: http://sdf.org/?sdfers 

To do all this, you should have started building up "volunteers" when 
csmcgee was on the board. Instead you hold stupid meetings where you 
rub each others toes and gloat about stupid bylaws!! Gahh! SDF CHARGES 
MONEY! You need to pay to take a dump (quite literally)! And they have 
more hot chicks than Arbornet AND M-Net put together!

In case you guys don't remember (because you were too busy stuffing 
your faces [a good thing imho - a army never travels empty] and 
wondering which bylaw to screw) we had chicks like bipolar, nevi, 
barnali, zoezig, and others logging in! And they actually stayed for 
some time - like a year at least.
----------------------------

Simple question: since csmcgee came AND left.. and now kentn.. how many 
new features have we added.. umm.. actually better yet.. do we have as 
many features as we once had? No CGI (we used to have that), tel/write 
are off by default, mail was off until some time back, web-site still 
not fully functional, validation makes it harder to do work, newuser 
was AWOL for what I assume was a large chunk of time, no wiki page 
because we aren't notable - neither is SDF BUT SDF works and now he's 
got that bsdtalk interview.. gahh! Even SDF's restricted shell has more 
commands even if it's buggy (as in.. you can get arpa-crap for free)

http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?erinb@sdf
http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?sah@sdf
http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?phm@sdf
veek
response 28 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 19:57 UTC 2010

And SDF has all sorts of lame games.. but that appears to be very 
popular for some weird reason.. people are always playing netris and 
comchess (did i mention a certain eclipse.cs.pdx.edu 7680 with no users 
who we could talk to. yes i did! when csmcgee was in town! so did 
anyone contact them?)
veek
response 29 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 20:05 UTC 2010

grrr! *bops rane on his thick skull*  let me see now: blbtq, strcpy, 
jhesse, pbbl, vvg - and this is WAY too many. prolly because it's 1.30 
am here and i should be sleeping. *grumbles* 5 guys with weirdo logins! 
i'm sure they'll gladly signup if you ask them.


USER    TTY FROM              LOGIN@  IDLE WHAT
blbtq    p0 ohai004.lava.net  1:05PM    23 /usr/bin/lynx 
strcpy   p1 109.109.54.82    10:40AM  4:09 -bash 
cross    p2 ip-66-80-251-66. Fri11PM     0 -bash 
jhesse   p3 c-66-41-158-63.h Fri10AM     0 elm 
kentn    p4 24-231-194-179.d  1:43PM    
37 /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/bin/fronttal
cross    p5 ip-66-80-251-66. Mon07AM     
0 /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/bin/fronttal
pbbl     p6 pool-74-106-22-1 Fri11AM    37 alpine  
rcurl    p7 c-24-11-168-114.  2:37PM     
0 /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/bin/fronttal
tod      p8 web60.justhost.c  2:48PM     0 
gate /a/t/o/tod/.cfdir/ft.buffer 
blbtq    p9 ohai003.lava.net  2:57PM     0 /usr/bin/lynx 
veek     pa 117.192.27.111    3:00PM     0 w 
vvg      pc 93-127-18-143.st Tue08PM 23:51 -bash
jgelinas
response 30 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 21:48 UTC 2010

Rane, you don't need permission or sanction: feel free to contact any
one you want to ask them to become members.

Once upon a time, outbound Internet access was limited to members, who
had offered identification we could use for net hygiene, which other
users had not.

I'd be satisfied if just every participant in coop would renew their
membership.  We need more than that, but it's like a lawyer at the
bottom of the ocean: A start.
rcurl
response 31 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 05:41 UTC 2010

Most non-profits that depend upon membership have active membership campaigns,
usually appealing to people to support whatever good purposes they have.
Grex doesn't even have a membership committee, working on ideas to gain
members, especially from users. 
richard
response 32 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 06:51 UTC 2010

re #31 thats an idea, have a subgroup of board members form a membership
committee that would research ideas and report their findings to the
full board.
cross
response 33 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 11:52 UTC 2010

Subgroup of what, five people?  How about some volunteers from the community
for that?
veek
response 34 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 12:52 UTC 2010

I had a idea, instead of all this: I'll create a 'volunteers' account 
(already done). Then I could stick a volunteers home page in it - just 
like any normal user (I'll use the Grex template - just color it blue 
and say this is 'un-official'). Then a small form, so volunteers can 
add register projects - i could run this off Arbornet for the time 
being. Once we have enough completed projects and volunteers staff can 
just merge the projects with the main web-site, OR link to this from 
the main web-site with a disclaimer. 

It's useable straight away, when things stabilize we can merge which 
creates little work, and it's safe from lawsuits because you haven't 
linked to it from the main website.
veek
response 35 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 12:54 UTC 2010

the main site has to be formal but this can be anything.. I'll stick 
huge disclaimers all over about it being insecure code and run at your 
own risk..
veek
response 36 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 13:00 UTC 2010

btw, one thing i'm still not sure about.. would it be a good idea to go 
with 'Grex'? I mean, on the one hand there's talk of moving to the 
cloud and using cyberspace.org as a cool domain to lure users.. anyway 
for now i'm using grex.
cross
response 37 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 15:25 UTC 2010

resp:34 Why don't we just create a directory under the main WWW 
repository for that?  It seems like a good idea; it would be easier to 
use and manage if it didn't rely on the existence of a specific 
account, though.

resp:36 Use grex.  Grex is the name of the service; cyberspace is the 
name of the parent organization.
veek
response 38 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 16:16 UTC 2010

this is kind of what I was thinking of (it's very much work in 
progress): http://m-net.arbornet.org/~veek/index1.xhtml

1. random guy sees the volunteer-page and wants to add his fav project 
so he adds it to the "brown/red" colored part in the middle via a form.
2. then he works on it, finishes it, and marks it as finished *Tor - 
tutorials.
3. then some other volunteer sticks it in the right pane after checking 
it.
4. When sufficient material is finished.. it's moved to regular grex 
whenever by staff.
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resp 37: well.. simple really :p 

Main reason 1. It's very likely to end in abject failure because of a 
lack of volunteers :( right now, it's in some ordinary grex account so 
if it fails, I don't get red in the face :)

MR 2. Random ppl who I don't know will be doing (i hope) most of the 
work.. think shady characters like Chad. I will then proof-read (or he 
will proof-read the C tutorials).. lets say someones account gets 
hacked because of my mistakes.. i get red-faced IF it's under 
main/official www. In some random low-lvl account :) I don't care a 
hoot.

3. +i was hoping this would not be an official Grex thing just yet.. i 
have no idea what sort of scumbags will be contributing.. it could work 
to our advantage if it's unofficial.. and if it doesn't Grex isn't made 
any worse off :)



jgelinas
response 39 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 16:26 UTC 2010

I've decided to accept the nomination.  Y'all can decide if you want me
on the Board. :)
richard
response 40 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 17:59 UTC 2010

good, now we've got two nominees, thats a competition.  Now TS and
jgelinas can have a debate
mary
response 41 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 21:25 UTC 2010

Thanks, Joe.
remmers
response 42 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 20 20:22 UTC 2010

Oh my, more than one candidate.  Now I'll have to, like, fire up the
vote program and stuff.  ;-)

Seriously, I'm glad we have folks running.
jgelinas
response 43 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 20 20:46 UTC 2010

I'm still hoping jadecat joins the fray. :)
kentn
response 44 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 20 21:01 UTC 2010

The more the merrier!
jadecat
response 45 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 20:40 UTC 2010

And jadecat has indeed decided to join the fray. :)

I accept my nomination.
mary
response 46 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 20:44 UTC 2010

Lovely.  Thanks, Anne.
richard
response 47 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 20:52 UTC 2010

so which of these three candidates has the best ideas for the future of 
grex?  time for a candidate forum
remmers
response 48 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 22:20 UTC 2010

I'm pleased to see three candidates running for the open slot.

Reminders:

(1) Voting begins December 1 and runs for 15 days.

(2) A candidate can optionally have a "campaign statement" that is shown
on the ballot.  Just create a plain text file named "statement" (file
name must be in lower case) in your home directory and the vote program
will display it.
remmers
response 49 of 123: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 20:00 UTC 2010

The polls are now open for the election.  To view the ballot, and
optionally vote, visit https://grex.org/cgi-bin/pw/voting-booth.  Voting
ends at the end of the day (EST) on December 15.
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