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mary
response 25 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 15:26 UTC 2010

Does it cost more money to start from scratch as opposed to renewing a 
license?
tonster
response 26 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 16:06 UTC 2010

No.  The cost will not be different.
kentn
response 27 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 17:26 UTC 2010

But probably if we already have an account they'll see that we're 
trying to get certs for the same domains and question what we're
doing.  Would it make sense to call them, explain the situation,
and ask what evidence they need to see to let us do the renewal?
tonster
response 28 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 19:20 UTC 2010

Someone in position of authority for the corporation could probably give
them a call and explain that we have no idea what our login is and see
what is necessary to retrieve it.  I'd expect the President or VP should
be able to get the process started.  If we had the login, we might be
able to then get the password reset.
kentn
response 29 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 19:28 UTC 2010

I can try to do that Tony.  Can you email me the particulars I need
to know, such as the domains we want to renew.  A phone number would
be good, too.
tonster
response 30 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 20:35 UTC 2010

There are no domains that need renewal, to my knowledge.  All of the
email contacts on the domain appear to be treasurer@cyberspace.org, so
perhaps that's our login.

The following is what I see as the domains on the certificate though:

www.grex.org
grex.org
www.cyberspace.org
cyberspace.org
kentn
response 31 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 20:39 UTC 2010

Thanks Tony.  (Sorry, I meant domains for which we want certs). I'll try
to give them a call.  We'll see what they say.  The worst that could
happen is they won't talk to me ;)
kentn
response 32 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 21:08 UTC 2010

OK, I gave them a call and it took a while for them to find our account,
but they did.  Unfortunately, I'm in the same boat as staff in terms of
getting even what the account name is (it's not treasurer@).  I got into
the web page there and had it send an e-mail to the registered e-mail
about resetting the password.  But I don't know what that e-mail address
is other than it is something at gmail.com.  It could be Dan's or it
could be grex-staff (wouldn't that be nice) or it could be something
else entirely.  They are looking for the 4-digit PIN before they'll even
discuss resetting a password.

What they did say was that after these certs expire, you can set up a
new account and get new certs.  So that seems to be the way out if we
can't find the PIN and the account name.
tonster
response 33 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 21:27 UTC 2010

Well, I haven't seen the grex-staff email, so I'm guessing that it was
probably cross' personal email or something.  We'll go the route of
setting up a new account if it expires.  At that point, if I'm the one
renewing (and I haven't seen anyone object to that), then I'll need some
cooperation from whoever owns treasurer@ now, since it'll send email
requesting authorization to the contact listed in the domain name
registration.  It won't be too painful though.
kentn
response 34 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 21:38 UTC 2010

Good deal.  With any luck Dan will pop in briefly and let staff know
the details.  Otherwise, with a new account, I wonder if we can have
the e-mail be grex-staff@gmail.com so that if this happens again
more than one person will in theory get the e-mail?
 
TS is the treasurer now.  Since the Board approved of the expenditure,
there shouldn't be a problem with TS helping out in terms of payment
and/or authorization.
tonster
response 35 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 13:38 UTC 2010

Sounds good.  I'd support making the account grex-staff@gmail.com.
denise
response 36 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 14:21 UTC 2010

Making the account in grex-staff's name is a good idea...
jgelinas
response 37 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 16:02 UTC 2010

(It's not that hard to add yourself to the treasurer address, Tony. ;)
tonster
response 38 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 04:13 UTC 2010

resp:37: there is that, but I'm generally opposed to just attaching
myself to various mailing lists just because I can. :)
aruba
response 39 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 23:10 UTC 2010

Grex has never before paid for a certificate, and the treasurer was
never involved in this process.  If any money changed hands, Dan must
have paid for it himself.
kentn
response 40 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 23:19 UTC 2010

True, I think that is case, so we may owe Dan some money.
 
It does cost to get the certificates, so someone had to pay for our
web server to have a valid certificate.
kentn
response 41 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 00:07 UTC 2010

BTW, Mark, do we owe you for filing the Michigan corporate update?
Or did you take that out of the funds while you were still treasurer?
If the former, let us know and we'll see about reimbursing you.  If
the latter, thanks.
aruba
response 42 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 03:41 UTC 2010

Kent - I still have the checkbook and am still paying Grex's bills;
until TS lets me know that the account signers have been updated, that's
the only alternative, I think.  So I paid the corporate filing fee from
Grex's account.

TS left the bank last month with forms and letters for gelinas, slynne,
and janc to sign, and the latter two have to be notarized.  All have to
be sent in before the bank will allow him to write checks for Grex. 
What is the status on those?
slynne
response 43 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 14:55 UTC 2010

I haven't heard from him but I am sure we can meet up for signings and
notarizing etc. 
lar
response 44 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 21:04 UTC 2010

I say we make taylor cough up that guitar before handing him the 
checkbook
tod
response 45 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jul 3 11:31 UTC 2010

he emailed you the scavenger hunt details on mts
tsty
response 46 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 14:54 UTC 2010

tsty
response 47 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 14:55 UTC 2010

tsty
response 48 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 14:59 UTC 2010

hmmmm ...
  
try again
  

  treasurer resurfaces ...
 
  do need to get with slynne rsn (call me at your convenience 734,817,1982)
  to arrange ftf.
 
  no statements whatsoever from tcf in po box.
  no bills whatsoever from telephone co in po box.
 
  stmt from bank of ann arbor --- savings acct apr=0.15% --- $1,942.34
 
  deposited $30 ck into tcf (couldn;t get acct balalnce of course)
 
  phones, phn co will -only- deal with email for changing service. what;s
  up with that, but ok .. it;s in process - cut -0513 line...
 
  provide is $100/mo, paid @ 3 mos intervals. next bill due middle of
  this month (july).
 
  zero clue as to phn bill (see above)
 
  should have given gelinas the tcf papers @board meet .. (color me dumb?)
  but didn;t. oops, sorry. i;ll start carrying gelinas' stuff in car - we have
  met a couple times inthe city ... also, could arrange ftf w/gelinas - 
  call me pse.
 
  need to locate janc to hand off tcf papers .. any clue wehre he is? a
  couple  emails (a while ago) went unanswered ... although they were on a
  different topic.
 
  aruba is going to have to write checks, still, until the dust settles.
  thank you in advance. (how much is phn bill? -- where does bill go? --
  wehre does tcf stmt go?)
  
  
slynne
response 49 of 69: Mark Unseen   Jul 6 15:23 UTC 2010

TS, I'll give you call later this week. 
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