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md
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response 25 of 74:
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May 3 10:47 UTC 1999 |
My non-expert suggestions:
Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto: Heifetz-Beecham.
Dvorak Slavonic Dances: Neumann-Czech Philharmonic.
Rossini Overtures: Czech Philharmonic-Delogu.
Faure Requiem: Paris Philharmonic-Liebowitz.
Handel Fireworks and Water Music: Ormandy/Philadelphia.
Beethoven's Ninth: keep both.
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keesan
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response 26 of 74:
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May 3 13:29 UTC 1999 |
Thanks, I will listen to them all and try to hear what it is you prefer.
Which other orchestras and conductors are as consistenly good as Ormandy and
Philadelphia? I also liked Academy of St. Martin in the Fields, at least
their Vivaldi Four Seasons, an outstanding winner.
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keesan
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response 27 of 74:
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May 4 15:30 UTC 1999 |
I did like the Paris version of Faure best, but in order to fit it onto a 10"
record they omitted a few lines here and there (any line that was repeated
in the original was left out in their performance). Do modern composers time
their compositions to fit in 72 minutes (formerly 45 minutes)?
The Handel records were not quite the same either - Ormandy did abridged
versions of both Water and Fireworks music, then I had one complete Water
Music and one complete Fireworks with abridged Water. May keep them all.
The Musical Heritage Society performances seems to be technically correct but
lacking in interpretation. The Musical Masterpiece Society (Netherlands and
Paris Symphonies, etc.), though on 10" records and therefore at times a bit
abridged, are uniformly good, in my opinion.
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gracel
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response 28 of 74:
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May 4 17:57 UTC 1999 |
The Faure Requiem Monte Carlo version (at least, if this is the one that
won the Grand Prix du Disque) is the first one I ever heard and I've never
liked another performance as well. Especially the boy soprano. If you
decide against that one, may I have it?
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keesan
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response 29 of 74:
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May 4 19:43 UTC 1999 |
THere was something about a Grand Prix, you are welcome to this version.
I am currently comparing three versions of Beethoven's Ninth. I recall it
being very hard on the second altos (a long very high note that I could not
reach at all). First version is scratchy. Basic Library of the World's
Greatest Music (with yet another Barber of Seville on the reverse side).
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md
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response 30 of 74:
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May 5 11:14 UTC 1999 |
I've heard it said that many composers since 1950
have turned out 20- or 25-minute pieces that could
fit on one side of an LP.
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keesan
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response 31 of 74:
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May 5 19:05 UTC 1999 |
I just read that CDs were lengthened from 60 to 74 minutes because LPs are
37 minutes long per side. Did someone invent a longer LP by putting the
grooves closer together? (I think this is what happened when going from 78s
to 33s). Or is this just an error?
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davel
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response 32 of 74:
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May 6 01:01 UTC 1999 |
Certainly some LPs gained length by tighter grooving. I think it was a
change, but I'm not sure of that.
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krj
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response 33 of 74:
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May 12 18:00 UTC 1999 |
On CD length: The story was always reported that Akio Morita, the chairman
of Sony, decreed that the CD had to be long enough to record Beethoven's
9th Symphony on one disc. (Sony and Philips were the co-developers of
today's CD format.) The original CD standard called for a 72 minute
length. Some releases started pushing that limit up by packing the
tracks in a teensy bit more tightly and getting closer to the rim of
the disc; when 80-minute discs came out, we found that lots of players
would not make it through to the end of these discs. So the upper boundary
is now 78 minutes and change.
LPs: Yes, the grooves (and stylii) got much smaller with the transition
from 78 to LP; that's why the LPs were called "microgroove" recordings
for a while. 37 minutes may be a theoretical possibility for the length
of one LP side, but it was not a market practicality. In LPs, there would
always be a tradeoff between how loud (=how wide) the grooves were cut,
and how much time the LP could hold. I rarely saw LPs packing in more than
25 minutes per side and I doubt that I ever saw an LP with 30 minutes
on a side. I suspect some exist at that length, but they were very
rare.
(Oh, it's important how loud/wide the grooves are cut because the
signal needs to climb out of the vinyl surface noise with the LP.)
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orinoco
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response 34 of 74:
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Oct 27 21:00 UTC 1999 |
<nods> All the CDs I've seen that even come close to 70 minutes, the LP
version is on two records.
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keesan
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response 35 of 74:
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Dec 29 20:22 UTC 1999 |
At the library, I took a look at which companies are now putting out classical
CDs: Phillips, London, Deutsche Grammophon, Nonesuch, RCA Victor and CBS
(Columbia) are the only ones that I recognized. Are Angel/Seraphim,
Westminster, MHS and other record companies still in existence? Did they
merge or get bought out? Are there now fewer and larger companies or perhaps
more and smaller, now that anyone can make a CD?
Vox/Turnabout still around? Mercury? Oryx?
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dbratman
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response 36 of 74:
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Jan 3 18:23 UTC 2000 |
Some of those companies are, I think, gone, and new ones have arisen in
their place. Others are there under different guise. For instance,
what once was Columbia was bought by Sony, which is now using the Sony
name on some releases, and CBS on others, I think. Angel was only the
American imprint of EMI, which is still around.
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orinoco
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response 37 of 74:
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Jan 4 19:58 UTC 2000 |
In general, record labels are merging into a few big groups, rather like car
companies did a while back, although not to quite such an extreme degree.
I don't know much about classical labels, but I'd assume they're following
this general trend.
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davel
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response 38 of 74:
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Jan 7 00:28 UTC 2000 |
I fairly recently (I think) bought one or more CDs labeled as MHS. I bought
them through BMG, so they were also labeled as BMG; BMG always (or almost
always) does that.
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krj
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response 39 of 74:
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Jan 7 01:10 UTC 2000 |
This is off the top of my head, with some references to the web.
There are now five multinational conglomerates who control 85% or
more of all recorded music sales (not just classical):
In approximate order of size, they are:
Universal (formed last year by merging MCA and Polygram)
Time/Warner
Sony (historically, Columbia in the US)
BMG (historically, RCA in the US)
EMI (historically, Capitol for pop and Angel for classical in US)
Of the labels keesan mentions:
Polygram controlled the Philips, London and Deutsche Gramophon
labels, so they are now part of Universal Music Group.
I think all three labels are still active, though I'm not
sure about Philips. Mercury is also a part of the Universal
conglomerate; Mercury dropped out of the business of
selling new recordings many years ago, so today the
Mercury name is only used for their old reissues.
Nonesuch is still an active division of Time/Warner.
The "CBS Masterworks" label was retired when Sony bought Columbia.
New issues are under the Sony name, and historical issues are
usually under Columbia.
The RCA name is used for many BMG classical releases, both reissues
and new items.
Angel and Seraphim were label names used by EMI; Seraphim was for
budget-priced reissues. I'm pretty sure the Seraphim name is retired
but I don't know about Angel. New releases seem to be marketed
as "EMI Classical."
I don't know what happened to Westminster. I vaguely recall that
ABC bought them, and then ABC's music operations ended up in MCA.
Westminster used to have the funkiest LP covers.
Musical Heritage Society, primarily a mail order operation, was still
active as of a few years ago, but I have not seen any advertising
from them recently. "MusicMasters" was their label for retail
store sales. (Response above: maybe BMG bought them?)
Vox is still putting CDs in store racks, but I don't know if they
are new recordings or just repackagings of old work.
I never heard of Oryx before.
There are a lot of new small classical labels. Harmonia Mundi,
Hyperion and Chandos leap immediately to mind, and I'm sure there are
lots more.
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krj
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response 40 of 74:
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Jan 18 22:54 UTC 2000 |
So Nonesuch will soon be a division of AOL. Heh.
In the last couple of days I have noticed that the London imprint
has been retired. The Decca label in Britain used to use "London"
on its American issues, but now they seem to be using Decca worldwide.
This seems to be part of a trend of labels to present a consistent
image worldwide, probably to simplify packaging and marketing.
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orinoco
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response 41 of 74:
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Jan 19 01:23 UTC 2000 |
Wow. Hard to picture two more unlikely partners.
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dbratman
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response 42 of 74:
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Jan 19 22:31 UTC 2000 |
Musical Heritage Society is still around. I am still getting occasional
mailings from them begging me to rejoin: since they kicked me out in the
first place because I didn't buy enough, I'm not inclined to do it.
They do sound desperate, though, as the latest ads actually say things
like "Not Your Father's MHS" (though I can't tell any difference in the
inside, save that instead of being 90% Baroque, their offerings are now
down to about 85% Baroque, or so it seems).
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krj
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response 43 of 74:
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Jan 20 22:01 UTC 2000 |
I found a website for MHS, but it's closed for renovations.
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keesan
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response 44 of 74:
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Jan 20 23:43 UTC 2000 |
Does MMS still exist? They seem to have published mainly the better known
works of better known or somewhat known composers. I have a set of 10"
records by them (thanks to John Morris). Musical Masterworks Society.
All high quality performances and recordings. Only problem is that my
auutomatic turntable automatically heads for 12" (or 7" on 45s and I had a
7" 33, from Albania). The older turntables also had 10" settings.
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krj
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response 45 of 74:
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Jan 21 03:42 UTC 2000 |
Another correction to my resp:39 :: at Borders tonight I saw a big
stack of Seraphim CDs in the $7-and-less classical bin. So that
imprint has been revived for a super-budget line of discs.
It's just a brand name, the small print on the discs identify them
as coming from EMI Classical.
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keesan
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response 46 of 74:
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Jan 30 04:39 UTC 2000 |
Today at Kiwanis I found a record of Favorite Popular Music produced by
Plymouth Merit on Genuine Vynil (sic). They also had Music of the Rocco.
I expected the worst, but the music was played and recorded well.
We enjoyed ourselves listening to whatever made it to the ten cent end of the
rack (meaning nobody bought it for about a year already). Another musical
by the composer of Music Man, about Santa Claus. Not as good. Several
selections of Hawaiian Music. There are many copies of Tijuana Brass.
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md
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response 47 of 74:
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Jan 30 20:25 UTC 2000 |
Music of the Rocco? Like my cousin Rocco from
the North End?
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keesan
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response 48 of 74:
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Jan 31 14:03 UTC 2000 |
Don't know, all they gave on the jacket was a long list of record titles, many
of them starting 'One hour of favorite...' Possibly the French Rocco, not
the Italian branch.
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md
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response 49 of 74:
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Jan 31 16:01 UTC 2000 |
You mean "rococo": 18th century, elegant, ornate.
The music of Rocco is mostly Sinatra and Lois Prima.
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