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richard
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response 25 of 74:
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Jan 19 00:27 UTC 2006 |
klg said:
"Dr. Death didn't just prescribe the means, he inserted the needle."
It doesn't even matter to you that this person WANTED to die, that this
person begged Kevorkian for help in dying, and that this person's
family are very grateful for his help. Staying alive is a CHOICE. We
are not responsible to anyone else for our lives. If you, klg, want to
end your life, that is your choice. Its your life, not anyone else's.
You can choose to go to sleep when and where you please. Why can't you
choose to die when and where you please? So you want Kevorkian to "rot
in jail" for helping a man of free will and conscious exercise his own
freedom to choose?
klg is a big believer in government restrictions on the ability of
people to live their own lives in their own way.
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bru
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response 26 of 74:
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Jan 19 06:31 UTC 2006 |
It isn't that the person wanted to die. as previously stated, other
doctors have prescribed the means to end lifre quietly when asked. He
built a machine, a death machine that administered fluids under his
direction.
He was in fact a media whore, seeking to promote the right to die.
Seeking every avenue to discuss it in public. Videotaping the deaths
and releasing them to the media ... Because he thought he was right.
He was wrong under michigan law, and was tried and convicted of his
crimes.
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klg
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response 27 of 74:
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Jan 19 12:01 UTC 2006 |
(What's your opinion on the penalty for the German who killed and ate
a, supposedly health, willing victim?)
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ogre666
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response 28 of 74:
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Jan 19 12:19 UTC 2006 |
or more importantly, what kind of side dishes do you prepare with that kind
of meal? i'm guessing sauerkraut for the germans.
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fudge
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response 29 of 74:
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Jan 19 12:34 UTC 2006 |
red or white with it?
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i
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response 30 of 74:
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Jan 19 13:00 UTC 2006 |
I'm sure i'd differ with jep & bru on details, but it certainly was
my impression that Dr. K was a low-class act and advocate for a
cause that demanded a very high-class act. The more intelligent
right-to-die people who i knew back then seemed very unhappy with
him.
Let him out when he's old & sickly enough so that the cost of his
medical care is getting to be a burden on the State budget, and
don't be shy about giving that as the reason for release.
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johnnie
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response 31 of 74:
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Jan 19 14:43 UTC 2006 |
I think an excellent case can be made that Doc Kevork is indeed a serial
killer, namely one of the subset known as "Angels of Death" (who kill
victims in some sort of medical setting, telling themselves and the
world that they did it for the good of the victim).
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jep
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response 32 of 74:
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Jan 19 16:21 UTC 2006 |
I am in favor of hopelessly ill people who in intolerable pain being
able to choose to end their lives. I have sick and elderly people in
my life. I am growing older myself and am aware of how this kind of
need could come into my life.
I am also wary of the possibility of people being coerced, or
influenced, to make decisions which are not in their own best
interests. Or of people having decisions made for them which they
wouldn't have made. I have seen a friend die, fighting for his life
right to the end, in great pain, but still with the will and desire to
live. I have known people (and know people) who were/are in situations
I would have thought were intolerable, but who were/are still happy.
Until you are in that situation yourself, I think, you cannot know what
you would do. There should be no social expectation for sick or
elderly people to end their own lives if they don't want to do so.
I don't hate Kevorkian, or despise him, but I am not a supporter,
either. I think he went too far and went about things the wrong way.
He got the nation to talk about assisted suicide, but he got them
talking about it in a way which wasn't very constructive and useful.
We all talked too much about Kevorkian, and not enough about those in
need of an end to their lives.
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tod
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response 33 of 74:
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Jan 19 17:08 UTC 2006 |
Should GW be in prison for taking us into Iraq "the wrong way?"
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klg
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response 34 of 74:
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Jan 19 17:09 UTC 2006 |
Another condition for Kevorkian's release ought to be his inability to
be of "assistance" to more victims.
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marcvh
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response 35 of 74:
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Jan 19 17:16 UTC 2006 |
How could you render him unable to do that? Cut off his arms?
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jep
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response 36 of 74:
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Jan 19 17:18 UTC 2006 |
If Kevorkian were to be released, it should certainly be with the
understanding that if he does it again, he'll be going back to jail.
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tod
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response 37 of 74:
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Jan 19 17:19 UTC 2006 |
Does what exactly?
Do you Kevorkian haters even know what he was charged with?
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klg
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response 38 of 74:
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Jan 19 17:21 UTC 2006 |
Wasn't that the condition under which he was out of jail previously? -
i.e., he cannot be trusted.
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jep
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response 39 of 74:
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Jan 19 17:39 UTC 2006 |
re resp:37: Yes, Todd, I do know what he is in jail for doing.
Assisting in a suicide is against the law in Michigan. If Jack
Kevorkian is released from jail, it should be with the clear
understanding that, if he assists in another suicide, he will go back
to jail.
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nharmon
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response 40 of 74:
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Jan 19 17:47 UTC 2006 |
According to Wikipedia: "On March 26, 1999, Kevorkian was charged with
second-degree murder for the delivery of a controlled substance
(administering a lethal injection to Thomas Youk). A Michigan jury
subsequently found Kevorkian guilty."
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rcurl
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response 41 of 74:
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Jan 19 18:20 UTC 2006 |
I agree with what jep says in #32.
If Kevokian's clients were fully in charge of their senses and willingly
sought his assistance in ending their pain, then the only problems are the
laws that do not permit this under sensible controls. The bizarre nature
of Kervokian's methods aggravated the circumstances, but if Michigan had
Oregon's law, Kevorkian would have been able to assist people within that
law with noone being able to raise objections.
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tod
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response 42 of 74:
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Jan 19 18:34 UTC 2006 |
re #40
Exactly. It was about distributing a lethal prescription to assist a suicide.
It had nothing to do with his personality or the "machine" people are
referring to. This whole discussion is really an extension of how our
government and corporations control prescription drugs and how the media plays
into it by portraying people like Kevorkian as monsters for making such things
available to those in need. Fascism at its finest.
Why is it that only a few years ago, everyone was happy to see lawyers and
states going after Microsoft for controlling our lives but nobody wants to
step up to the plate when it comes to Big Brother controlling our medicine?
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nharmon
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response 43 of 74:
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Jan 19 18:49 UTC 2006 |
Because tod, we're too busy putting freedom on a force-march.
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tod
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response 44 of 74:
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Jan 19 19:06 UTC 2006 |
Killing our youth over a purple finger, yep.
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jep
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response 45 of 74:
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Jan 19 19:50 UTC 2006 |
re resp:41: Geez, Rane, can you please give me some warning before
dropping zingers like that? I almost swallowed my telephone headset.
I would not have thought your keyboard was capable of the string, "I
agree with what jep says".
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twenex
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response 46 of 74:
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Jan 19 20:08 UTC 2006 |
Oh dear. More humour. You tiresome individual. :-(
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tod
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response 47 of 74:
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Jan 19 20:11 UTC 2006 |
I agree with #41
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cross
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response 48 of 74:
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Jan 19 21:45 UTC 2006 |
This response has been erased.
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tod
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response 49 of 74:
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Jan 19 21:53 UTC 2006 |
I prefer the Liotta Tofu Stir Fry in Hannibal
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