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rcurl
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response 25 of 82:
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Oct 6 20:29 UTC 2003 |
Did he do anthing about preserving this species *in the wild*? From
what I have read about it, it seems his breeding program only preserved
the species in zoos and other captivity. It seems to me to be the penultimate
cruelty to preserve a species only outside its natural habitat.
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anderyn
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response 26 of 82:
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Oct 6 20:41 UTC 2003 |
I thought that he donated money to the habitats in the wild. I could be wrong.
But I'd rather be alive in a zoo than my species be dead. I don't know how
an animal feels about that, but I suspect that life enjoys being alive.
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rcurl
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response 27 of 82:
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Oct 6 20:48 UTC 2003 |
And tigers pace and monkeys bounce off their bars....seems to me they
are reacting to imprisonment in much the same sense as a human would.
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anderyn
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response 28 of 82:
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Oct 6 21:01 UTC 2003 |
The Toledo Zoo has habitats that seem to be decent for the animals. The tigers
there didn't pace. And Roy's tigers had a whole estate that they shared with
him and Siegfried. They weren't caged, and had the freedom of the house and
estate, at least during the day (not sure what the nighttime arrangements
were). Not saying it's like having a whole range to oneself, but it's a damn
sight better than living free and being killed horibly by a poacher.
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rcurl
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response 29 of 82:
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Oct 6 21:16 UTC 2003 |
The efforts of The Nature Conservancy are for habitat protection for
rare, theatened and endangered species. In the long run, this is more
economical for the preservation of species than is maintaining captive
breeding populations. Did Roy and Siegfried donate heavily to habitat
preservation? (I did some Googling to find out, but as yet without success.)
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bru
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response 30 of 82:
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Oct 6 23:00 UTC 2003 |
white tigers and white lions are not natural inany habitat. It is a mutation
that propably occured shortly before the maharajas came to power in india.
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mary
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response 31 of 82:
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Oct 7 01:53 UTC 2003 |
Is it possible to feel sorry for the mutilated trainer
but still congratulate the tiger for, well, being a tiger?
I don't know much about the motivations of Mr. Roy but
the tiger doesn't belong on a stage, jumping through
hoops and obeying a guy in tights. Somehow, with that one
bite, it regained some of its long lost dignity.
I also root for the bull in bullfights.
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rcurl
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response 32 of 82:
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Oct 7 06:13 UTC 2003 |
Albinism in animals (and humans) is perectly natural, bru. But albino
animals are not a separate species and breed like any other members of the
species. They belong in the natural population as part of its diversity.
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tsty
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response 33 of 82:
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Oct 7 07:12 UTC 2003 |
albinism is a rare occurrance (can they breed???) and is not well
tolerated by the rest of the population generally. albino offshoots
usually nee to be seapratred and protected.
i feel quite bad for roy - and firefighters too (re #20) who invest
their being for our safety/enjoyment and afll victim to happenstance.
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tod
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response 34 of 82:
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Oct 7 16:01 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 35 of 82:
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Oct 7 16:36 UTC 2003 |
Yes, albino animals (including humans) can breed, and I have never heard
that they are "not well tolerated by the rest of the population
generally". Please cite some urls that provide data that support your
contention.
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tod
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response 36 of 82:
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Oct 7 17:06 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 37 of 82:
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Oct 7 17:51 UTC 2003 |
LOL
Well the tiger was acting like a tiger. No argument there. I don't
think anyone here is advocating getting back at the tiger, are they?
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carson
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response 38 of 82:
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Oct 7 18:25 UTC 2003 |
(surprisingly not. most animals that attack humans are euthanized; I
haven't heard that this tiger is destined for a similar fate.)
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anderyn
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response 39 of 82:
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Oct 7 19:24 UTC 2003 |
At least Roy is not advocating that. He said that he wanted it to be unharmed,
during the ambulance ride to the hospital. I don't think he or anyone he knows
were shocked by this -- I think that is why I do feel sorry for him, because
he accepted the risks and accepted that he'd been very lucky not to be
attacked. And because he had a stroke after the attack. That is definitely
not something they tell you about in tigers one-oh-one, that being attacked
by one will cause a stroke! (The news story I read implied that it was because
of the massive blood loss. I don't think I'd ever heard of a stroke from that
particular cause before. Has anyone else?)
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mdw
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response 40 of 82:
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Oct 7 20:04 UTC 2003 |
Tigers play rough with each other. They also have much tougher skins
than humans do. Except for the size, there's really not that much
difference in terms of psychology between tigers and domestic cats
(although in the wild it's true tigers are generally solitary and
domestic cats act more like lions.) What's "just play" to a cat can be
pretty rough in human terms.
Strokes are basically a sudden loss of consciousness due to a lack of
oxygen in some part of the brain - this could be caused by a blood clot,
or blockage or rupture of some blood vessel, usually inside the brain.
I guess a rupture of a major blood vessel in the neck doesn't quite
qualify, but the resulting greatly reduced blood pressure can't help
matters any inside the brain. If a air bubble or blood clot from wound
were to make its way inside the brain, that would certainly qualify
though.
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rcurl
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response 41 of 82:
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Oct 7 20:18 UTC 2003 |
Apparently some neck injuries can result in stroke. In seaching Medscape,
I found "Cervical Spinal Manipulation Linked to Stroke From Vertebral Arterial
Dissection". That "dissection" is a form of trauma to the blood vessel.
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tpryan
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response 42 of 82:
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Oct 7 23:45 UTC 2003 |
I recently saw a PBS or Discovery show on introducing Tigers
to Africa, after captive breeding. It was something like a 5 year
project to get two into the wild. Brother and Sister. In a wild
animal preserve, with a large number a acres.
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glenda
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response 43 of 82:
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Oct 7 23:57 UTC 2003 |
Are you sure it was Africa and not India. Tigers are not native to Africa.
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tod
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response 44 of 82:
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Oct 8 01:20 UTC 2003 |
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bru
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response 45 of 82:
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Oct 8 01:45 UTC 2003 |
The White tigers are not albinos. They do not have pink eyes, the main
charactaristic of albinism. They are a seperate species. They breed true.
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rcurl
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response 46 of 82:
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Oct 8 03:12 UTC 2003 |
Depends on what version of albinism you are talking about. It is, in
general, just a genetic trait of non-pigmentation. However I will
acknowledge that http://www.white-tigers.org/ asserts that "they are not
albino". However they are definitely not a separate species. This "white
tiger partial albinism" is due to a recessive gene and only occurs when
both mates carry it. But they can mate with any other receptive Bengal
tigers.
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richard
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response 47 of 82:
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Oct 8 03:42 UTC 2003 |
Coincidentally there was another tiger incident here in NYC. Some guy liv
ing in a rent controlled apartment in a high rise in Harlem was found keeping
two pets, a full grown half siberian/half bengal tiger named Ming and a giant
alligator named Al. It was a three bedroom apartment and Ming the tiger and
Al the alligator had their own bedrooms. The tiger's bedroom had a bed and
an indoor sand pit. The alligator's bedroom had a bed and a baby pool for
Al to swim in. The tiger and the alligator had apparently bonded, and this
man considered them to be his brothers. The animal control authorities have
just yesterday removed the animals and shipped them off to a zoo. The guy
was interviewed and is heartbroken that the housing authority won't let him
have his pets back. But really, an apartment in a housing project surely
isn't the ideal place for a tiger and an allligator to live. The man is being
charged with reckless endagerment, even thougb it is clear he loved thos
animals.
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richard
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response 48 of 82:
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Oct 8 03:48 UTC 2003 |
and poor Ming the tiger was shown on the front page of today's papers looking
miserabler, in a cage at the zoo. The tiger had been domesticated, used to
his own bedroom. They are saying his readjustment will be difficult
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russ
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response 49 of 82:
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Oct 8 04:22 UTC 2003 |
Re #45: Bruce... look up the definition of "species". I'm sure it
will show that you're wrong (again). I will lay money down that
white tigers are inter-fertile with the normal forest breed of
their native land, and that they're no more different species than
Siamese cats and Maine Coons.
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