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dah
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response 25 of 176:
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Oct 13 05:25 UTC 2003 |
No-one's better than lk at writing overly lengthy, fillibustery prose.
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lk
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response 26 of 176:
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Oct 13 16:36 UTC 2003 |
16:27 Mortar shell falls on house in Gaza Strip settlement of Kfar Darom
15:54 Otto Guensche, Hitler aide who burned Nazi dictator`s body to keep it
from the advancing Soviets, dies aged 86
14:57 Syria dismisses reports that U.S. asked it to return up to $3B.
believed held there by Saddam supporters
14:17 Jordan says its security forces kill two people trying to infiltrate
Israel via Jordan Valley, wound two others
13:20 Fatah men rescued on Sunday Israeli family of four that mistakenly
entered Qalandiya refugee camp
11:04 Palestinians fire at IDF troops near Rafah in Gaza Strip, throw
grenades
More later about the new "Geneva Accord".
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klg
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response 27 of 176:
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Oct 13 17:02 UTC 2003 |
Flash!
The U.N. has ordered Canada to enforce a ban on all forms of corporal
punishment of children. No word, though, on any making a request that
Syria (member of the U.N.'s counter-terrorism committee) enforce a ban
on terrorists.
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lk
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response 28 of 176:
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Oct 15 04:52 UTC 2003 |
klg, some history is in order. We must be very careful in encouraging
Syria to do anything. You do remember what happened last time they
acted against terrorist rebels in Hama, right? Do we really want to
risk the lives of 20,000 innocents in the process?
http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/63P58.htm
17:54 Saudi police arrest up to 50 protesters calling for greater reforms
during kingdom`s first human rights conference
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lk
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response 29 of 176:
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Oct 15 14:39 UTC 2003 |
10:28 Palestinians: bomb goes off underneath vehicle carrying CIA officials
in Gaza, killing four people
10:47 Witnesses: silver Cherokee jeep used by American diplomats completely
destroyed in Gaza blast
10:57 Car destroyed in Gaza Strip bombing bore U.S. diplomatic license plates
10:59 IDF tanks and APCs, backed by helicopters, move into Gaza Strip to
evacuate bombed U.S. vehicle
11:14 IDF: unclear if source of Gaza blast on U.S. convoy was roadside
bomb or suicide bomber
12:14 Sky News: All the dead in Gaza bombing were Americans
13:06 U.S. officials in bombed convoy were on their way to discuss study
grants for Palestinian academics in Gaza
13:46 U.S. Ambassador Kurtzer thanks FM Shalom after Israel sends forces
into Gaza to evacuate dead and injured
14:42 U.S. embassy advises all Americans to leave Gaza Strip after bomb
attack on convoy
15:10 UN envoy: Palestinian security forces must be reformed to stop
terror attacks
Evidently the UN sees nothing wrong with 10,000 terrorist attacks against
Israel over 3 years, but just one terrorist attack against the US....
15:13 CIA spokesman in Washington, Bill Harlow, says `there were no CIA
people involved` in Gaza attack on U.S. convoy
16:29 Convoy attacked in Gaza was taking U.S. officials to meet
Palestinian candidates for Fulbright scholarships in U.S.
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goose
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response 30 of 176:
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Oct 15 16:08 UTC 2003 |
I miss the days when Leeron contributed more than just things like this.
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bru
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response 31 of 176:
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Oct 15 22:50 UTC 2003 |
Not CIA officials, but the bodyguards of a peace delegation.
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lk
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response 32 of 176:
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Oct 16 00:24 UTC 2003 |
Chris, I appreciate your sentiment, but I miss the days when I didn't have
to worry if my mom's car would be next to a bus that might blow up. Or if
a cousin would be at the wrong pizzeria, ice-cream parlor or cafe on the
wrong night....
All this will pass, it's just a question of how many people must die
before it's over.
(And hey, if I just wanted to yapp about nothing -- I'd be on M-Net. (: )
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goose
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response 33 of 176:
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Oct 16 01:44 UTC 2003 |
Don;t get me wrong, I realize the importance of the information, as well as
the importance of hearing the same information from "the other side" as it
were, but I know you're more than this. I don't believe I'm alone in being
kind of tired of seeing the same thing over and over again....and please don't
go into a diatribe about being tired of the treatment of the Palestinians....I
get it already..;-)
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dah
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response 34 of 176:
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Oct 21 03:57 UTC 2003 |
I agree.
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lk
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response 35 of 176:
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Oct 23 05:33 UTC 2003 |
07:12 Three senior Fatah officials tell Washington that Arafat is preventing
reforms in the PA from being carried out
01:28 Palestinians fire several Qassam rockets from north Gaza Strip
00:58 Palestinian sources: three people, including Hamas activist killed in
W. Bank `work accident` [premature bomb explosion]
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klg
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response 36 of 176:
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Oct 23 16:03 UTC 2003 |
(Business is booming??)
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lk
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response 37 of 176:
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Oct 23 16:30 UTC 2003 |
Yet when bomb labs in apartment buildings or car bombs blow up prematurely
in Arab city streets, why is no one complaining about the "colateral damage"?
The above headline states that only 1 of the 3 people killed was a Hamas
activist. Where is the scandal and outrage on the "Arab street" -- or
on Grex? Yet if Israel kills 8 terrorists and 4 civilians [actual numbers
from this week], it's akin to the bomb being detonated in an Israel cafe,
supermarket or civilian bus? Now someone is going to avenge this "martyr's"
death -- and this is the "cycle" of violence?!
17:43 Jordan`s King Abdullah urges Palestinian Authority to fulfil
security obligations during talks with PM Ahmed Qureia
16:53 Pro-democracy demonstrators in Saudi Arabia block traffic in Jeddah;
elsewhere, police prevent anti-government protests
15:58 Seoul: North Korea earned $60 million in 2002 from Scud missile
sales to middle eastern countries
14:02 PA chairman put on edge Tuesday as IDF operated near Muqata, saying
`I feel the smell of paradise,` Arafat aide says
12:23 Two Islamic Jihad wanted militants carrying grenades nabbed by IDF
troops in West Bank village of Dura, south of Hebron
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lk
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response 38 of 176:
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Oct 25 02:46 UTC 2003 |
20:25 Hamas, Jihad sign agreement to cooperate in carrying out terror
attacks and to create a ruling body in Gaza
17:57 Canada says it is assessing the future of El Al flights to Toronto
following security threat against jet on Thursday
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lk
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response 39 of 176:
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Oct 25 14:38 UTC 2003 |
08:04 Two wanted Palestinian militants arrested by IDF troops [hiding]
in hospitals in Nablus
11:31 Der Spiegel: Two Al-Qaida suspects believed to be behind September 11
bombings give interrogators full confessions
12:58 16 Kurdish asylum seekers return to Iraq after spending more than two
years near Lebanese-Israeli border
13:03 PA Foreign Minister Sha`ath: There will be no Palestinian compromise
on right of return
[The rejectionism lives on. They want the two-state solution to be
2 more Arab states.]
13:12 300 Israelis helping Palestinians from the village of Aras to harvest
olives for third straight weekend
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tpryan
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response 40 of 176:
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Oct 25 15:11 UTC 2003 |
I want to thank lk for not learning how to get these to
stream at the bottom of my screen.
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lk
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response 41 of 176:
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Nov 3 19:10 UTC 2003 |
New PA Parliament Speaker states that the struggle will continue
in all its forms (i.e. violence).
20:15 Tariq Hussein, who killed girl, wounded 3 others in June attack on
Trans-Israel Highway, turns himself in to IDF
14:00 Militant who blew himself up Monday in West Bank tried to enter
capital on Sunday, but left area due to tight security
17:53 Father of teen who blew self up when cornered by IDF in W. Bank
slams militants for sending one so young to his death
I don't blame him, but in a way this is like PETA's condemnation of using
a cart pulled by a donkey as a bomb delivery. There's nothing wrong with
blowing up dozens of innocents Israelis -- so long as it's not done by a
teenager and no animals are killed.
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lk
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response 42 of 176:
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Nov 6 08:00 UTC 2003 |
00:14 IDF forces discover series of roadside bombs targetting troops on
Israel-Lebanon border
02:28 Palestinians fail to form new government; Qureia leaves meeting with
Arafat looking grim, refuses to talk to reporters
04:06 Israeli-Palestinian team prepares in Europe for joint expedition to
climb mountain in Antarctica
08:07 Tanzim officials: Fatah committee not entitled to appoint Interior
Minister because its members are corrupt
08:10 Senior Fatah official says that each member of body`s central
committee earns $20,000 a MONTH [not bad in a region where the
average worker -- who actually does something -- earns $400/mo.
I'll bet that this $20K is just compensation above the table....]
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klg
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response 43 of 176:
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Nov 6 17:14 UTC 2003 |
04:06 Israeli-Palestinian team prepares in Europe for joint
expedition to climb mountain in Antarctica
(Did they get lost on the road map?)
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lk
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response 44 of 176:
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Nov 7 02:40 UTC 2003 |
And that's progress!
00:52 Report: Palestinian Chairman Arafat transfers $100,000 monthly,
from PA funds to wife Suha, living in Paris
Recall that Money magazine last year ranked Arafat amongst the richest
people in the world. Bin Laden, oil-rich Qaddafi... anyone still think
that poverty is the "root cause" of terrorism?
When do we get to the era that a commercial will show an alien landing
in "Palestine" and saying to a child: "take me to your leader"... only
to be told: "we don't have any leadership"?
22:46 Catholic cardinal to Vatican Radio: Muslim media, education are
anti-Semitic, have similar approach to Nazis
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willcome
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response 45 of 176:
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Nov 8 04:25 UTC 2003 |
Israeli Heroes Kill Ten-year-old Terrorist
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=461648
Mahmud, 10, went looking for songbirds ... and died in hail of bullets
By Justin Huggler in Shajiyeh, Gaza Strip
08 November 2003
Mahmud al-Qayed was out doing what he did every Friday - catching
songbirds in cages to sell in the markets of Gaza. But yesterday the
remote olive groves where the birds nest led him close to the fence
separating the Gaza Strip from Israel. Too close for the soldiers
guarding the fence.
They shot Mahmud, 10, four times, killing him as he tried to run.
The boy's father, Mohammed, was with him, and, at the funeral, he told
how he took the bloodstained sweater from his son's dead body, and
buried his face in it.
Mahmud was one of a group of about 20 - the rest were adults - who
ventured out to the fence to catch the songbirds, which can fetch good
money in the markets. There are plenty of witnesses who saw the group
on their way to the fence, and confirm that they were there to catch
birds.
But the Israeli army said that it had spotted three people laying what
it says were electric wires and tubes used in explosives, and that is
why it opened fire. According to the witnesses, what the group were
laying were the cages that trap the birds.
This was not the first time a birdcatcher has been killed next to the
fence here. Mahmud was the fifth to die here since the intifada began
in 2000. He was the youngest, but before him a 15-year-old and a 13-
year-old had also been killed.
It is a beautiful spot, narrow lanes fringed by tall cactus lead to
the largely undisturbed olive groves that are home to the songbirds.
In these autumn nights, the air is full of the smoke of the woodfires
that warm the locals.
But on the other side of the fence may be seen a completely different
landscape of vast, open modern fields and the Israeli farm town of
Nakhal Oz, which in the past has been a target for attacks by
Palestinian militants.
The Israeli army has declared the olive groves in this area off-limits
to Palestinians, to protect Nakhal Oz.
But, in spite of the danger, the birdcatchers still come. Money and
work are desperately scarce, and what was once a hobby has become, for
many, a living.
Last week, said Mahmud's father, the boy managed to catch two song-
sparrows and a rare songbird, a khudr. In normal times, this rare bird
alone could fetch almost 100. In the current economic collapse, the
boy sold all three for less than 10. But it was still enough to buy
himself a new bicycle, and not many children can afford those in Gaza
these days.
A witness, who would give his name only as Abu Subhi, who lives near
the olive groves and saw the birdcatchers on their way to plant their
traps, says the Israeli soldiers should be well aware that the
birdcatchers still come and are no threat. He says some visit the
groves almost every day.
Last night the Israeli army insisted that the only reason for
Palestinians to move close to the fence was to attack Nakhal Oz.
Surrounded by mourners at the funeral, Mahmud's father, Mohammed, told
how his son had been killed. "We left home at around 5am. My
neighbour, my son and I," he said.
"I was driving the donkey-cart. We got to Shajiyeh at around 6am. We
put out our traps and waited for the birds. We were about 700 metres
from the border. They [Israeli forces] fired two shells, that landed
near the electricity pylon, about 200 metres from us. We stayed on the
ground because we were waiting for the birds. Then we saw five
soldiers approaching with helmets and everything. I ran. My son could
not get away."
Nimur abu 'As'us, a 26-year-old who was with the group, was wounded
and witnessed Mahmud's death.
Speaking from a hospital bed, he said: "The soldiers chased us. I was
running, the boy was running too. They shot at both of us. I was hit
in the leg. They hit him with four bullets. They shouted to stop and
he stopped. I kept running, I looked back and I saw him stop. I saw
the bullets hit him. If he hadn't stopped perhaps they would have
killed both of us."
His face grew dark. "Perhaps the fact he stopped saved my life."
After that, he said, a crowd of Palestinians came running to see what
was happening and the soldiers gave up the chase. At first, Mr 'As'us
said, the soldiers took Mahmud's body away, then later returned it.
Mohammed said: "I took his sweater. I hugged it, then I buried my face
in his blood. It was wrong to kill him. He was young, he was no
threat, he just wanted to catch a bird. Where are the human rights?
Where are the children's rights?
"They kill children. That is wrong."
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willcome
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response 46 of 176:
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Nov 8 04:27 UTC 2003 |
NOTE: THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF STRONG PALESTINIAN PROPAGANDA! IT SHOULD
NOT BE VIEWED BY ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF TWENTY_ONE!
Children of Palestine Speak: Life under Occupation
"I remember once I slept while I was standing against the wall. It was
a terrible time we had, that I would never forget..Please, I want to
raise my voice and tell the people of the world .."
By Children of Palestine
Edited by SONIA NETTNIN
Leaders of the world, please take note: the Road Map is in
dissolution, but the children of Palestine were not asked for their
input. They have created an art display of letters, pictures and diary
entries. Girls and boys share their experiences, describe life under
military occupation and give observational feedback for the world s
leadership.
Their evaluation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is thus: the
violence and their living conditions are the root-cause of their
despair. The road map to somewhere led to nowhere. For Abraham s
children, hope is a prerequisite for peace. The platform for their
assessment was at the Palestinian Christian Solidarity Festival in
Chicago, where all faiths were welcome. It was held at St. Elias
Christian Church Immanuel Lutheran Church on November 1st the
beginning of Arab Cultural Month. The event was sponsored by the
Working Group on the Middle East Metro Chicago Synod ECLA.
Angel from Beit-Jala writes: I want to tell the world we are living
in hard conditions under Israeli occupation. We are suffering a lot in
our own land and houses. The schools are closed and pupils had to stay
at home. We can t study and if we want to, the explosions that are
often heard, the bombing, the noise of tanks prevent us to do so one
night while we were sleeping, a big bang on the door was heard, we
were all awake and my father went to answer the door. About fifty
soldiers burst into the house; they were carrying heavy guns towards
us. My mother was in her room with my brother. I ran and went to join
them. My father tried to prevent them from entering the room, when one
of the soldiers held his gun towards his head and threatened to shoot
him if he doesn t let them enter the room.
At last, the soldiers broke into the room and put us all in one small
room we wanted to go out of the room to the bathroom but were not
allowed to do so. My little brother was crying from pain of fear, we
could not help him. We stayed in the room for three days. They
permitted my mother to leave room to get food and water . . . we spent
three full days in the same room....The soldiers they broke the
fridge, they threw empty bottles onto the floor, they cut the wires of
the telephone, they broke the furniture, they destroyed every piece of
furniture.
I remember once I slept while I was standing against the wall. It was
a terrible time we had, that I would never forget .. Please, I want to
raise my voice and tell the people of the world, we Palestinians, want
to live a peaceful life with the Israelis. We want to have our rights
as all children of the world do. Please stop occupation and help us to
live freely in our own land. Thanks.
At the festival were olive woodcarvings, embroidered cards, pictures,
candles, and Palestinian embroidery. They were made in Bethlehem.
Glass was destroyed during the Israeli invasions of Bethlehem. As a
result, the workshop of al-Kahf in Bethlehem transformed these ruins
into glass art pieces. The broken glass pieces are fused glass
ornaments full of hope, justice, peace, and dignity.
Peace from Ramallah creates another dimension for Shakespeare s work
as she writes:
To everybody who love freedom To be or not to be this is the question
I am Peace , i live ... nowhere, why i can t remember. All that I
remember that somebody in somewhere just take my land, my freedom,
everything, Why: because some children throw stones to resist there
occupation and want freedom
But when I write this letter there was some tanks and some soldier
prevent the children in my area from reaching there schools my parents
from reaching their jobs, or taking my small sister to the clinic we
want peace which means to live really in peace like all the peoples in
the world to live together as neighbor with equality, dignity
everybody in the world think that we are terrorists, but they didn t
know that someone who come from every where occupied my land.
If you think about our life you cant see anything, there is no life
there is nothing just blood, we want peace because peace is the end of
the blood, but Israel didn t want any peace, every boys and girls want
peace, life, and play this is our dream and i hope in somebody it will
be truth.
So I think the real question is to be or to be.
Serene from Ramallah writes about peace in her letter also: Dear
Lovers of Peace, Peace is a small and a beautiful word but not
everyone know what it means, I love peace, all Palestinians love peace
and love to have a permanent peace, but Israel doesn t want peace,
they want our land and our trees, oil, culture and custom of
Palestinians we want to live safely but we don t have it, we want to
live in our houses together without killing families, neighbors and
friends. In our free time we don t have anything to do or to take, we
have only soldiers in our streets, tanks over our cars and men in the
Israeli prison their families stay waiting for them a long time.
In a picture display, a fourth grader drew a girl who witnesses the
murder of her friend by Israeli soldiers. Above her head, she ponders
a dreamy thought: a playground with grass, birds, flowers, and trees.
Diary entries were on display alongside the pictures. Clarity from
Beit-Jala expresses:
Dear Diary It s early morning. The sun is finally rising from
behind the horizon after a long night of sorrow and darkness. It is
shining on a little country in the middle east, trying to drown away
the shadows of its everlasting nights!...the first thing I ve noticed
about my entire life as a Palestinian youth is the fact of living in a
country that doesn t exist on the world map. Palestine an occupied
country in the middle east is just a place of which many kids in
different parts of this globe have never heard. It s that holy land
which has been turned into a dry desert of war and injustice. Being
born to open your eyes on this land means being deprived of your human
rights and even some daily needs!
Secondly, I ve opened my tearful eyes widely to realize that the
entire Palestinian nation is trapped in a murky, filthy cave, in this
modernized world! They ve been deprived of the right of moving freely
in their own country/travel easily abroad. By the way, this has many
consequences on the Palestinian people, some of which are: One the
general low living standard and bad financial conditions; Two the
disability of many kids to broaden their minds, which is believed to
be a result of not being exposed to different cultures in addition to
all this, Palestinians suffer from a shortage of daily needs that
people elsewhere in the world take for granted, such as: electricity,
water, fuel and some kinds of medicine and products. They even don t
always have Mail service...I d like to emphasize on the fact that many
Palestinian kids and youth are suffering from depression and stress.
They are traumatized by the war crimes that take place in their daily
lives. They ve been caused to become hopeless and pessimistic at such
a young age. The world speaks a lot about Palestinian infants who
sacrifice themselves for the sake of their country and condemns their
actions. But after all no wonder that their lives are nothing worth to
them anymore!
My dear Diary, hoping to have been able to express some of what has
been squeezing my soul, I have no more words to say other than: Man
has two hearts: a hart that suffers and another that hopes.
One eighth-grader describes how she feels when she is at a checkpoint
in her letter: How could I express my feelings and tell you about our
hard life as Palestinian which is filled with difficulties and danger.
On the checkpoints we face those soldiers holding their horrible
weapons threatening people on their way to work and scaring children
on their way to school.
Reverend Said Ailabouni from the ECLA Division of Global Mission spoke
at the festival. Three weeks ago, he saw the wall. He described it as
25-feet high and the barbed wire areas can cause electrocution. With
the creation of the Abraham Center, Christians, Jews and Muslims can
meet in one place to tear down walls and make peace happen. He
stated: In a time of despair the people refuse to give up, to die,
and to lose hope.
Dream wrote a piece titled, I Have a Dream. He says: I had the
feeling that I could be one of the first Palestinian generations that
would enjoy freedom for the first time in recent history. However,
this hope was lost on March 29th last year when the Israeli forces
invaded my city Ramallah and occupied our house for almost a week. . .
I have a dream that I could go along with my friends to a public park
and play, without being harmed purposefully or accidentally by the
random shooting. I have a dream that I could go to bed without
listening to the sounds of machine guns around the house and in the
streets. I have a dream that one day all peace lovers will stand
behind us the children of Palestine to help us grow with no harm
physically, mentally and morally, to be the future leader who will
build Palestine as a peaceful nation.
The festival ended with a performance by dance troupe Sanabel-Debke.
Their energy and spirit had audience members clapping to their dance
moves. The solidarity festival was the Palestine children s venue for
expression. Their suffering and their desire for a peaceful life
should be the centerpiece in political negotiations; so a roundtable
discussion can take place. The viewpoints of these future leaders
provide constructive feedback for present world leadership.
The question is: will they ever listen.
Source: The Palestine Chronicle - www.palestinechronicle.com
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response 47 of 176:
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Nov 8 05:46 UTC 2003 |
Peace will come only when the Palestinians love their children more
than they hate Israel.
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scott
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response 48 of 176:
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Nov 8 07:39 UTC 2003 |
That's a very broad generalization, Eric.
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tsty
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response 49 of 176:
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Nov 8 09:00 UTC 2003 |
it is, hwoever, the significant turning point ... 49.9/50.1 ....
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