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scott
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response 25 of 57:
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Oct 27 13:58 UTC 2003 |
(Mr. klg, please do your own homework. I'll give you a hint, though: section
421... you must do the rest.)
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klg
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response 26 of 57:
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Oct 27 17:20 UTC 2003 |
Mr. scott,
Thank you for the citation. We have located the section and read it.
(Have you??)
"Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified
information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any
information identifying such covert agent to any individual not
authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the
information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the
United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert
agent's intelligence relationship to the United States. . . ."
As one may plainly see, there are several conditions that must be met
for the disclosure to be illegal. We presume that you have evidence
that all of those conditions are present in this case.
Mr. rcurl,
Please tell us which of the following statements you did not make:
(1) #19 (rcurl): I don't see how it can't be called "treason".
Espionage by a citizen is treason. . . ."
(2) "#23 (rcurl): . . . I never said they weren't. I am only stating
that treason has occurred. (I also did not say that espionage has
occurred....)"
klg
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rcurl
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response 27 of 57:
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Oct 27 17:49 UTC 2003 |
I now see why you are usually confused, by adopting non-sequiturs for
your logic. While espionage by a citizen is treason it does not follow
that if treason has occurred that it is espionage.
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klg
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response 28 of 57:
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Oct 27 17:55 UTC 2003 |
Mr. rcurl.
Spin cycle time?
klg
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tod
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response 29 of 57:
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Oct 27 18:24 UTC 2003 |
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scott
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response 30 of 57:
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Oct 28 01:41 UTC 2003 |
Dear klg, only an idiot such as yourself would try to pretend that the various
parts require separate proofs.
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klg
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response 31 of 57:
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Oct 28 02:14 UTC 2003 |
My dear Mr. scott-
It is a rather simple request. Truly. Are all of the component
requirements in the law met or are they not? But if you haven't the
desire or abilty to make the attempt, kindly do not project your
failings onto others. It is bad form.
Thank you.
klg
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scott
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response 32 of 57:
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Oct 28 13:06 UTC 2003 |
Certainly, Mr. klg. Just as soon as you provide proof for all the Clinton-era
stuff... my, you're behind in your paperwork!
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janc
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response 33 of 57:
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Oct 28 18:51 UTC 2003 |
Actually, I can imagine that it is possible for such a disclosure to
have occured without there being treason under the definition given.
One way it could happen is to have two people both with security
clearances. Person A mentions to person B that whatshername is an
agent, but does not mention that she is covert. Person B, not knowing
that she is a covert agent, mentions the fact that she is agent to a
person without a clearance.
In that scenario, it seems to me that neither A nor B is guilty of
treason under the definition above. A did not say anything to anyone
who wasn't cleared, and B did not knowingly disclose any secret
information.
Of course A and B (especially A) are both incompetent idiots, but they
aren't treasonous idiots.
I have no idea if this is what occured.
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tod
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response 34 of 57:
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Oct 28 19:30 UTC 2003 |
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tsty
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response 35 of 57:
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Nov 4 05:27 UTC 2003 |
valerie, not of grex-fame, but of plame-fame, years ago was an ak-47
certified undercover contact/agent. she has a history, not a present.
her history may be what is endangered. effectively, she had retired
AND was supposed to be kept concealed, vis-a-vis her history, not her
present. there is no inforamtion i know of which indicates that
she still draws a tax-dollar-salary from teh agency.
i think she has a pair of 3-yr olds to raise at this time. kinda
hard to get a babysitter for all those current operations she gets
called on to do.... heh-heh.
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ring-ring-ring
hello?
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hello, judy... umm, say, can you babysit the kids for about 12 days?
i know it's, like, really short notice, but i just got a
self-destructing taperecorder message to infiltrate the chinese
counter espionage cell for the kgb stationed in north korea.
it's not a bad as that africa-iraq-yellowcake trip last month
but it's still important. we dont' want to nuke them on the
noggin ya know.
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well, ok, valerie. but this has to be teh last time. i can't keep
on lying to the kids.
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thanks, babe ... i knew i could count on you this last time.
oh, and call novak will you? i'm getting tired of this shit too.
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sure. he's alwasy been good for a leak.
click ... dialtone
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tod
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response 36 of 57:
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Nov 4 18:19 UTC 2003 |
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tsty
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response 37 of 57:
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Nov 6 10:53 UTC 2003 |
harvesting perhaps? ... poppys are a self-conflicted symbol.
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gelinas
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response 38 of 57:
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Nov 6 11:35 UTC 2003 |
TS, you do know that poppies grow in the cemetaries of France, right? The
American Legion sells little paper ones as a remembrance of WWI. I hadn't
known that VFW did as well, but it's not all that surprising.
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mcnally
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response 39 of 57:
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Nov 6 17:27 UTC 2003 |
"In Flanders fields the poppies blow
between the crosses, row on row.."
etc, etc..
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happyboy
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response 40 of 57:
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Nov 6 19:08 UTC 2003 |
/cues "Veterans Day Poppy" by Capt Beefheart
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tod
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response 41 of 57:
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Nov 6 19:26 UTC 2003 |
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tsty
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response 42 of 57:
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Nov 7 09:15 UTC 2003 |
right gelinas, poppys grow in lots of military cemetaries, actually, as
well as afghanistan adn pakistan .. and iin one of my yards in a2.
it is teh conflict between teh symbol adn the application that has
amazed me. \
heroin for the deceased. thus, a self-conflicting symbol.
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aruba
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response 43 of 57:
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Nov 7 14:36 UTC 2003 |
Is there a special kind of poppy that is used to make opium/heroin, or are
those the same poppies that make the poppy seeds I get on my bagel?
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gelinas
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response 44 of 57:
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Nov 7 15:13 UTC 2003 |
I think they are the same. The difference is that the seeds were allowed to
mature, rather than the seedpod being 'milked' before ripening.
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keesan
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response 45 of 57:
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Nov 7 15:32 UTC 2003 |
I think they are different varieties. Former Yugoslavia grew poppies and some
fields had white flowers, some purple. The garden variety are red.
I know for sure that at least one of the Yugoslav drug companies was making
opium from poppies.
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rcurl
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response 46 of 57:
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Nov 7 17:40 UTC 2003 |
Many plants are called poppies. Papaver somniferum L., the opium poppy,
is also the source of the seeds used on bagels. I expect, however, there
are varieties with more or less opiates. For some other genuses of
"poppies", including the California State Flower, see
http://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy.shtml
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gull
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response 47 of 57:
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Nov 7 19:32 UTC 2003 |
I've heard that eating things with poppy seeds in them will cause you to
fail a drug test.
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tod
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response 48 of 57:
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Nov 7 20:06 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 49 of 57:
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Nov 7 20:14 UTC 2003 |
See the cited URL.
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