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richard
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response 25 of 68:
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Jul 22 21:27 UTC 2003 |
I like the fact that Howard Dean is a medical doctor, a physician who
used to share a practice with his wife. Health Care IMO is THE big
issue not national security. With the huge record numbers of people in
this country who are going to become senior citizens in the next decade
and beyond, and medical expenses skyrocketing, there is going to be a
real crisis with health care. At least symbolically, electing a
physician president is a way of demonstrating a mandate for health care
reform being made the highest of priorities in years to come.
That said, the most electable candidate is probably Senator John Kerry
of Massachusetts. Dean is a relatively unknown former governor of a
small state who hasn't yet been worked over by the national media. You
take a risk not knowing for sure how he'll respond. Of course that
didn't hurt Jimmy Carter when he ran in 1976 and was even less known
than Dean. Kerry is a veteran politician who is a highly decorated
vietnam war hero (doesn't hurt having that on the resume) Kerry was
known for participating in vietnam war demonstrations when he was
younger, including one where he threw his medals away (threw them over
the white house fence in a symbolic gesture to show his disgust with
the war) Kerry however voted in support of the war with Iraq.
Lieberman is too conservative to get the Democratic nomination.
Edwards of North Carolina is too green, he needs more seasoning and
experience and the Democrats would probably lose his seat in the Senate
if he got elected. Gephardt has too much baggage and represents (in my
view) too much of the old guard establishment and the Democratic
leadership in Congress.
I suspect the nominee is likely to be Kerry, or Dean if continues to
run as well as he has been, becomes the alternative candidate, and
takes out Kerry in New Hampshire. It should be an interesting primary
season.
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gelinas
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response 26 of 68:
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Jul 23 00:42 UTC 2003 |
Senator JFK from Massachusetts? Should be interesting.
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slynne
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response 27 of 68:
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Jul 23 01:34 UTC 2003 |
Kerry has The Hair(tm). He will win.
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twenex
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response 28 of 68:
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Jul 23 02:05 UTC 2003 |
Is that why clinton won against whoever lost in 92?
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janc
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response 29 of 68:
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Jul 23 02:14 UTC 2003 |
I think "President Dean" sounds silly. Two titles in search of a name. I
suppose he could be "Doctor President Dean". "Mister President Doctor Dean?"
Let's just nominate Kerry and avoid all that.
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bruin
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response 30 of 68:
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Jul 23 02:27 UTC 2003 |
Re #28 George Bush Sr. was "Whoever lost in 92."
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sabre
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response 31 of 68:
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Jul 23 14:45 UTC 2003 |
RE:#10
"A lot of Clinton's fiscal/business policy was essentially Republican,
though"
That is the only reason he had any economic success.
RE:15
That was then....and this is now.
klg corrected you on the other issue.
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richard
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response 32 of 68:
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Jul 23 21:59 UTC 2003 |
Kerry also has a very rich wife which never hurts, particularly if the
campaign gets expensive. kerry's wife is an heir to the Heinz Ketchup
empire and is worth hundreds of millions. If Kerry wins the nomination
and is going into the fall at a distinct fundraising advantage to Bush,
he could avoid being outspent by refusing matching funds and spending a
few tens of millions of his wife's money.
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tod
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response 33 of 68:
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Jul 23 22:04 UTC 2003 |
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sabre
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response 34 of 68:
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Jul 23 22:17 UTC 2003 |
RE#32
Wrong.
Her fortune was inherited. This means it is excluded from thier combined
estate. She is limited to a 2000$ donation
lookee here:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/drudged/060404635.html
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klg
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response 35 of 68:
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Jul 30 16:31 UTC 2003 |
re: "#17 (mary): And I haven't been as enthusiastic about a
Presidental candidate since McGovern. Go Howard Dean!"
According to today's NYT article on Dean as governor of VT he sounds
like a Republican to me:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/30/politics/campaigns/30DEAN.html?th
"Over 11 years, he . . ., cut taxes, forced many on welfare to go to
work, abandoned a sweeping approach to health-care reform in favor of
more incremental measures, antagonized environmentalists, won the top
rating from the National Rifle Association and consistently embraced
business interests. . . He remains a fiscal conservative, he believes
gun control should be left to the states and he favors the death
penalty for some crimes."
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mary
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response 36 of 68:
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Jul 30 19:54 UTC 2003 |
Well, I'm a fiscal conservative and would support gun control wherever I
can get it. I disagree with Dean on the death penalty, even though he
hardly thinks it's a great law enforcement tool. He's pro-choice and
would like to see all our citizens be given access to basic health care
needs. He thinks our war with Iraq is wrong and he never supported it.
So if that's what your standard republican is all about then, yes, I could
be republican.
Sign me up.
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tod
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response 37 of 68:
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Jul 30 20:02 UTC 2003 |
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mary
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response 38 of 68:
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Jul 30 20:09 UTC 2003 |
Here is Dean on health coverage:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_statement_hea
lth
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tod
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response 39 of 68:
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Jul 30 20:24 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 40 of 68:
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Jul 30 23:19 UTC 2003 |
It benefits them by lowering attacks upon those MCSEs by the ciminality caused
by our present drug policies. The benefit probably exceeds the cost - most
preventative medicine does.
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tod
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response 41 of 68:
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Jul 30 23:23 UTC 2003 |
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gelinas
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response 42 of 68:
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Jul 30 23:44 UTC 2003 |
("MCSE": acronym of "middle class straight edge."
It looks like "criminality" are those people defined as criminals because of
our current drug policies.)
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tod
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response 43 of 68:
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Jul 30 23:59 UTC 2003 |
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polytarp
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response 44 of 68:
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Jul 31 00:05 UTC 2003 |
What's wrong with narcotics?1
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tod
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response 45 of 68:
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Jul 31 00:08 UTC 2003 |
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polytarp
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response 46 of 68:
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Jul 31 00:09 UTC 2003 |
And opioids have nothing to do with health care?
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other
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response 47 of 68:
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Jul 31 04:13 UTC 2003 |
Holy shit! A true ironic remark that is actually funny and posted by
polytarp! I never thought I'd see the day...
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goose
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response 48 of 68:
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Jul 31 20:34 UTC 2003 |
It was an accident, it will never happen again.
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richard
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response 49 of 68:
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Aug 6 19:41 UTC 2003 |
Dean is on the cover of Time and Newsweek this week. he seems to be
hot at the moment...
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