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mynxcat
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response 25 of 51:
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Sep 19 17:54 UTC 2003 |
resp 23: Ok, we'll move past the overseas thing and the promotions od
unmarried - childless women. Even when it comes to responsibilities within
a team, women seem to be given more of the clerical work, and men the
technical stuff, irrespective of abilities.
And what are you saying is the root of the problem? Seems to me that the root
is the womans' marrying or bearing a child. Do you suggest we get our tubes
tied just so we can be given an equal chance at the work-place? That we maybe
not get married at all? That we sign a contract stating that we will never
move out of the city? Or are you stating that if more women quit jobs for
reasons other than family related, like say better pay, companies will
recognise her efforts better? I highly doubt that.
The situation rises more from the "Boys club" concept than family
responsibilities. Men tend to be very closed in their cliques. They want th
freedom to swear, and smoke without being hampered by a woman's presence. A
lot of advancement does come out of the boys-network than out of ability.
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dah
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response 26 of 51:
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Sep 19 18:25 UTC 2003 |
Once, a Sikh truck driver motioned me "Go on ahead, I'm not going to run you
over."
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twenex
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response 27 of 51:
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Sep 19 18:33 UTC 2003 |
Re 13: Point 1 - YUou may be right, there, Joe.
Re Point 2: Fair comment. however, the first Englishmen to live there left
because they wer/felt discriminated against, and Anerica presented a "Land
of Opprtunity".
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twenex
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response 28 of 51:
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Sep 19 18:36 UTC 2003 |
Re 24: Ok, so who did? Or, do you mean that the American Natives "discovered"
it first? If so, fair comment. Chris Columbus would then be the 1st modern
European to discover it.
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cross
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response 29 of 51:
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Sep 19 18:46 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 30 of 51:
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Sep 19 18:56 UTC 2003 |
Somehow I find that hard to believe. A lot of the Hindu and Sikh traditions
overlap. We share many of the same festivals. Hindus are more affiliated with
the Sikhs than with any other religion in India (except maybe Jainism).
The only reason I can think of is their need for a separate country, and the
assassination of Indira Gandhi and related events. I know that at that time
there were a lot of Sikh murders and riots and a lot of Sikhs did end up
leaving. But I'm pretty sure that that kind of discrimination isn't prevalent
now. (We seem to have most of our religious conflicts between the Hindus and
the Muslims :P)
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happyboy
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response 31 of 51:
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Sep 19 19:26 UTC 2003 |
re28: he still wasn't the first. he got lost and *discovered*
some islands in the carribean, amerigo vespucci never made it
across the water at all, iirc.
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tod
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response 32 of 51:
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Sep 19 19:27 UTC 2003 |
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happyboy
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response 33 of 51:
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Sep 19 19:30 UTC 2003 |
"...and lo, they unfurled their turbans and sailed forth
using them as sails, and their wives made a nice curry from the
potatoes of the
new world...where they also found canadian trucks to drive."
book of bruse ch7 v3
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cross
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response 34 of 51:
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Sep 19 19:45 UTC 2003 |
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happyboy
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response 35 of 51:
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Sep 19 19:51 UTC 2003 |
the one sikh that i got to know well was looking forward to
returning to india after retirement...and he did.
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mynxcat
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response 36 of 51:
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Sep 19 19:55 UTC 2003 |
I guess it's perspective in the end. I think I'm discriminated against in
India on the basis of my sex, and other women may not feel that way. I guess
it's the same with the Sikhs.
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happyboy
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response 37 of 51:
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Sep 19 20:04 UTC 2003 |
he didn't seem to worried about it.
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tod
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response 38 of 51:
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Sep 19 20:10 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 39 of 51:
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Sep 19 20:16 UTC 2003 |
<burns hole in tod's shirt>
Like this?
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happyboy
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response 40 of 51:
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Sep 19 20:22 UTC 2003 |
:)
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tod
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response 41 of 51:
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Sep 19 22:02 UTC 2003 |
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sj2
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response 42 of 51:
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Sep 20 16:31 UTC 2003 |
Sorry guys!! I am late for the party!!
Ok, where do I begin??
As Dan was mentioning in some other thread, we screwed up big time on
Kashmir. Ofcourse, our friendly neighbour helped us a lot in creating
that mess but we are the primary owners.
Then the wicked and evil ruling party, the BJP, divided the country on
religious grounds on the temple issue. The nation saw worst communal
riots since the partition.
Ofcourse, corruption runs high and seems to only increase.
Then we created a mess called the LTTE. Initially, the Indian RAW
(Research and Analysis Wing) aided and armed the militants. Later we
sent in a Peace keeping force to fight the LTTE. They got ambushed
badly and had to be withdrawn. Why did we ever got involved in
SriLanka's political affairs??? Really bad idea.
In Punjab, Indira Gandhi was playing partisan politics and encouraged
the party that wanted free khalistan. The way the Taleban has returned
to haunt the US, the same way those parties turned militants haunted
Indira Gandhi. But since there was no mass support for the movement the
police were able to crush the miilitants (with some heavy-handed
methods, I admit).
I read somewhere that Sikhs are discriminated against in India. Anyone
who's lived in India and moved around will vouch that thats utter crap.
Are Muslims discriminated against?? To an extent, yes. Are backward
classes discriminated against? To a great extent, Yes. Are sikhs
discriminated against?? NOOO!!!
Why do Sikhs leave India in such large numbers and inhabit UK and
Canada? Sole reason - Money. Plus Sikhs are a very enterprising
community (along with Gujratis). They are hardworking and enterprising.
In India, trucks don't have hydraulic steering so you need a good
physique for driving them. North Indians (Punjabis/Sikhs) have a better
built that their fellow countrymen. And traditionally, Sikhs have owned
large trucking fleets (just the same way as Patels own loads of motels
in the US).
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mynxcat
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response 43 of 51:
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Sep 20 16:55 UTC 2003 |
Thanks Sidhharth. Couldn't have said it better myself. There you have it
folks. That's our perception of the whole Sikh-discrimination argument
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bru
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response 44 of 51:
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Sep 20 23:00 UTC 2003 |
They wouldn't lie to me! I am a customs officer!
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mynxcat
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response 45 of 51:
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Sep 21 00:33 UTC 2003 |
Yeah.
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sj2
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response 46 of 51:
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Sep 21 05:12 UTC 2003 |
Bruuu - I am oppressed in the nation of my birth!! Could you grant me
political asylum in the US of A??? I am sooooooo oppressed and I swear
I am not lying either. :P
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tod
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response 47 of 51:
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Sep 21 15:08 UTC 2003 |
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happyboy
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response 48 of 51:
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Sep 21 17:37 UTC 2003 |
"the women, i want to buy your women!"
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sj2
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response 49 of 51:
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Sep 22 07:40 UTC 2003 |
Another moral failing, we sell anyone and everyone.
Please post full credit card details - Name, CC number, that three
digit code on the back of your CC, expiry date and your billing
address. Allow 3-4 weeks for delivery. ;-)
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