| Grex > Agora46 > #192: Just like in the (B Grade) movies -- Pizza Delivery Man Blown Up |
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Sep 5 05:27 UTC 2003 |
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| response 26 of 61: |
Sep 5 13:19 UTC 2003 |
THere is still the possibility that he did this to himself.
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Sep 5 16:25 UTC 2003 |
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| response 28 of 61: |
Sep 5 16:36 UTC 2003 |
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Sep 5 16:50 UTC 2003 |
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| response 30 of 61: |
Sep 5 16:52 UTC 2003 |
Re #28: I think that's pretty unfair. The police were dealing with an unknown situation, and a person of unknown mental state. The "death sentence" was issued by the person who put the bomb on the guy, not the police. Re #29: Or run up to the nearest cop, hug him, and set it off. We still don't know that this isn't some mentally unbalanced guy who did this to himself.
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Sep 5 17:12 UTC 2003 |
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Sep 5 19:22 UTC 2003 |
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Sep 5 20:23 UTC 2003 |
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| response 34 of 61: |
Sep 5 20:43 UTC 2003 |
...with a bomb around his neck. Presumably it was timed to go off if not neutralized first. He might have known how long he had - I would think the person that put it there would have said "you have xyz (time)....". The bomb might have been made less fatal if it could have been firmly clamped in some device that would hold the collar and divert any pieces. For instance, in the gap between those elevator doors that have parts that both slide up and down. It would perhaps also been useful to slide the bomb part to the back first. But who could have known that they had time for anything like that?
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Sep 5 21:05 UTC 2003 |
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Sep 5 22:09 UTC 2003 |
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| response 37 of 61: |
Sep 6 02:14 UTC 2003 |
Not many cops have experience with a situation like that one. They're just people. How could they or anyone else have known how to deal with such a situation? I say to give the cops a break.
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Sep 6 03:07 UTC 2003 |
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| response 39 of 61: |
Sep 6 05:04 UTC 2003 |
Re #33: >I didn't see a pooch. Just a guy that had robbed a bank. A guy who was obviously in danger, whose story was quite consistent with his actions (he robbed the bank because he was under threat of death!)... and the cops took no action to save him so he could help nail the person truly responsible. The poor pizza driver was a *hostage*. The cops treated him like a piece of meat, and their prophecy fullfilled itself in due time. The cops really and truly fucked up. Admit it. They lost their only eyewitness and let an innocent man die because they refused to recognize the weapon being used to coerce him and what it meant.
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Sep 6 06:38 UTC 2003 |
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| response 41 of 61: |
Sep 6 07:52 UTC 2003 |
The people who say "Hindsight is 20/20," are underestimating -- it's much better than that. What seems like a simple decision now might've been considerably less clear at the time.
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Sep 6 08:21 UTC 2003 |
Yah. Give the cops a break! Its not like this kind of thing has happened before (except perhaps in movies and novels which likely inspired this). Why do I suspect that the cops are going to have experience with this type of thing in the future? It is rather clever and will probably happen again (I seems to recall the plot of a recent bad movie that I didn't see but read about.) To prevent the collar being removed you merely pass a trigger through the collar - cut it and boom. Obviously the solution to this kind of crime is to move to a "cashless" society. Some idiot suggested "padding". Modern explosives are such that all that would do is slightly reduce the cost of the funeral if an open casket was asked for - less mortuary wax.
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Sep 6 13:05 UTC 2003 |
beady gets pretty dumb late at night... It's not a safe assumption that "modern" explosives were used. Not only was it a tiny, concealed bomb, but may well have been homebrew to avoid having the tracer compounds.
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Sep 6 13:27 UTC 2003 |
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Sep 6 19:17 UTC 2003 |
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| response 46 of 61: |
Sep 6 21:28 UTC 2003 |
leaving a suspect cuffed is standard procedure having to do wiht officer and suspect safety. But leaving him sitting there alone while the time clicked down may have been procedure, I am not sure it was right.
| response 47 of 61: |
Sep 6 22:16 UTC 2003 |
The wound was the size of a postcard, not a postage stamp, I thought.
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Sep 7 00:07 UTC 2003 |
Re #45: So you're saying they should have risked an innocent officer's life to try to remove the thing, when they knew the bomb squad was on the way? If an officer had tried to remove it and it had exploded, you would be criticizing him for killing the pizza delivery guy by "being a cowboy" and trying to remove the bomb himself instead of waiting for trained personnel. This was quite simply a no-win situation.
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Sep 7 02:04 UTC 2003 |
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