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keesan
response 25 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 04:01 UTC 2000

You can keep it in a plastic bag to keep out odors.  It would be more likely
to dry out than get soggy in a self-defrosting refrigerator.

I made sourdough type rye-wheat bread tonight.  One hour of rising the sponge
(semiliquid dough), add more flour, rise it another hour in a large pot with
a cover on it (to keep it humid and keep out the oxygen as the bacteria like
salty, humid, and low oxygen) and one hour rising in pans, then baked.  This
gives it more flavor, from the lactic acid bacteria.  Time to go eat it.
gull
response 26 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 07:23 UTC 2000

My refrigerator wasn't self-defrosting, but I'm not sure what that'd have to
do with it, to be honest.
oddie
response 27 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 10:13 UTC 2000

re#23, is it simply the weight of the hydrogenated fats, or their geometry?
Our chem teacher told us something about dispersion forces being greater
in "straight" carbon chains than in the bent ones of unsaturated chains,
but I haven't my chemistry book on hand so I'm quite possibly wrong...
fitz
response 28 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 14:53 UTC 2000

Brach's and Meijer anecdote:  One winter, Meijer put Brach's Mainline
chocolates on promotion.  The shipments to the Okemos store were piled high
on M-carts that eventually found their way underneath the backroom heaters
at the dock doors.  

Hundreds of units were eventually discovered to be single,melded massein bags
that used to contain many pieces instead of one massive candy bar.
keesan
response 29 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 22:04 UTC 2000

Self-defrosting refrigerators are essentially dehumidifiers.  They keep
dumping all the moisture that builds up on the coils, so dry out the food.
I don't know about the disperson forces in hydrogenated fats, ask Rane.  I
only know that they are heavier because the hydrogens were added, but come
to think of it, hydrogen is pretty small and light.  
gull
response 30 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 02:34 UTC 2000

Non-self-defrosting ones are the same, except they periodically melt off the
ice that collects on the coils, instead of letting it build up, right?
oddie
response 31 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 06:17 UTC 2000

Rane? ;-)
janc
response 32 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 17:43 UTC 2000

These days I mostly shop at the coop, which is a rather tiny downtown grocery
store.  Years ago I used to shop at White's Market (On William St near campus)
which is even tinier.  I'm generally impressed at the way these tiny groceries
seem to have just about everything you need.

What's really weird though is that when I go to the mega-gigantic super-duper
Kroger on Maple Road to get a few items late at night, I'm always disappointed
in the selection.  I think they carry fewer different brands of chips than
the Co-op does (of course, they have a almost a whole aisle containing just
Lays chips).  Given that they are about 10 times bigger than the Coop, you'd
think they'd have ten times more different brands, varieties, flavors and
sizes.  You'd think they'd find space to offer a respectable selection of
organic foods, which after all are popular enough in town to keep a couple
stores mainly devoted to them in business.  But in fact, they seem to carry
very little besides the biggest name brands.  You'd think that things like
canned fava beans, which are only occasionally at the coop, would be
consistantly carried, but them, but the have only the most ordinary bean
varieties.  Meijer's grocery section, which can't be half the size of Kroger's
seem to have more selection.

The sheer bigness of the place inclines one to expect that it would have a
lot to offer, but it really seems to fall short.  Kind of lame, really.
senna
response 33 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 21:36 UTC 2000

Actually, our grocery section is only slightly, if at all, smaller than the
Maple Road Kroger, and dwarfs nearly everything else (bloody frustrating when
you have fifteen minutes to get to the breakroom and back).  I've noticed that
selection at Meijer is substantially better than Kroger, particularly in
categories like chips where we carry several smaller brands that are absent
from the Kroger aisles.  

The reason Kroger stocks mostly Lays is fairly simple--it sells.  The key is
keeping the large sellers in stock.
keesan
response 34 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 04:55 UTC 2000

Big Market on Huron St. has canned fava beans and other Mediterranean imports.
So does Alladin's Market on Packard southeast of town.
Self-defrosting refrigerators are the the ones where the ice periodically
melts off because they are set to do this at timed intervals.  The non
self-defrosting ones build up ice in the freezer and you have to turn them
off once in a while and let it melt.  I think they stay more humid since the
ice it actually in the refrigerator most of the time.
Fresh fava beans are sometimes found at the Zingerman's owned fruit and
vegetable market at Kerrytown, in season (not now).  YOu can also get dried
fava beans at the first two stores, and soak them overnight and boil your own,
cheaper than the canned ones and a lot less energy wasted on making the cans
and recycling them.  And it heats your house when you cook.

jerryr
response 35 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 14:19 UTC 2000

distributors pay supermarkets for shelf space.  per linear foot.  those items
found on the end caps don't get placed there because the store decided to put
those items on sale, they were paid to put them there.  the power of co-op
advertising and direct payments for placement are the primary factors in what
is on sale in a supermarket.  if a product bombs, it will be replaced by
another product, but only if payment is received in one form or another.  the
competition for shelf space is enormous and expensive.
other
response 36 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 21:19 UTC 2000

That is not exclusively the case.  The truth is a mix of paid-for 
placement, and store marketing choices.  Products offered as loss-leaders 
(such as a basic staple like milk) are not usually promoted for fee, but 
because basic marketing requires it.
gull
response 37 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 05:16 UTC 2000

I've heard that one should treat end cap placed products with suspicion,
because they're often where you get taken into buying something at higher
than the going rate.  Same for those floor displays that partially block
aisles.
otter
response 38 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 18:29 UTC 2000

My experiences with
1) Meijer (Kalamazoo area): employees would rather talk to each other 
than to a customer. And if it ain't in my department, I got no idear whar 
it is.
2) Hudson's (Kalamazoo again): if you don't look and act exactly like all 
of our other sheep -er- customers, we must put our entire security force 
on your ass, post haste.

resp:37 - I've been told that, too. I always take a peek at similar 
products on the aisle shelves, just to be sure.
bru
response 39 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 02:28 UTC 2000

re. 37
Not necessarily true. We moved things all over on th end caps in the
department store I worked in.  No particular reason.  And the items in the
aisles are there to attract the shopers attention, much like the items in the
checkout lanes in your grocery store.
senna
response 40 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 05:01 UTC 2000

Much as I'd like to be helpful to customers, I really don't know where a lot
of items at Meijer are, and I'm one of the people who sees the most of them.
I have a good idea of who to ask,a nd I try to help people find them.  The
crosstalk issue is a bit of a problem at most stores, I think.

End caps at Meijer featuring, say, cereal or chips, will have items with the
same UPCs (and prices) as those on the conventional shelf.  It's possible,
I suppose, to have a size of lesser value (weight vs. price), though.
mdw
response 41 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 05:33 UTC 2000

I haven't seen endcaps having different prices than the regular location
at Meijers.  On the other hand, I have seen better bargains with other
brands or alternatives in the regular section - just because it's "on
sale" and on the endcap doesn't mean it's the best bargain.

With some items (batteries, light bulbs) it's fascinating to see just
how many different "regular" places these items have, and often there's
a different brand selection at each.  Of the two, batteries are the more
straight-forward; there's a big selection near the camera department,
then various small "end-cap" displays elsewhere, such as near the
checkout lanes, toys, etc.  Generally going to the camera goods section
is sufficient.  Lightbulbs, on the other hand, have several large
displays in the groceries, household goods, hardware, & perhaps
elsewhere - each with its own brands and prices.  I think groceries has
phillips, hardware has GE, and household goods used to have yugoslavia
bulbs.  Yugoslavia bulbs for some reason were cheapest.  Perhaps that's
because they were furthest from the groceries.
senna
response 42 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 13:23 UTC 2000

You nailed most of the lightbulb locations, but don't forget specialty bulbs
in gifts&lamps and trim-a-tree.  Your analysis is fairly straight on.
scott
response 43 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 14:09 UTC 2000

Meijer is *very* good at complimentary product stocking.  Batteries by
electronics, lightbulbs in various locations, and other examples I've noticed
but can't remember.
keesan
response 44 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 15:55 UTC 2000

When I was in Yugoslavia there was such a shortage of lightbulbs that you had
to know someone working in the store to get one.  One worker took pity on me
as a foreign student and sold me a lightbulb.  Their price was fixed by law
and it was probably lower than the cost of materials.  Same problem with milk,
and detergent.  Yogurt was available if you got there early, milk almost
never.  (Early being 6 am).
polygon
response 45 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 16:47 UTC 2000

I have not noticed any difference between prices on endcaps and prices on
the regular shelf, at Meijer's or elsewhere.

I didn't mean to imply that McDonald's food is high quality.  I meant that
McDonald's treats its customers with more respect than many other fast
food chains do.

That may be because McDonald's is better managed than most other fast food
chains, at least around here.  Check the health department inspection
reports (as I did in Ingham County over some period of time while I lived
there): McDonald's consistently gets 98 or better.  Of course, they aren't
attempting much, so there aren't as many different food preparation
activities to lose points on.  Nonetheless, the consistency of almost
perfect scores reflects consistency of very attentive management.

McDonald's also serves far better coffee than (say) Burger King, and it
provides half-and-half instead of non-dairy creamer.
senna
response 46 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 18:17 UTC 2000

Skip the Mcdonald's by Meijer.  Trust me.
aaron
response 47 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 18:21 UTC 2000

The potential for "near perfect" scores varies significantly between
counties. At least in the 80's and early 90's, and probably through the
present, Washtenaw County has restaurants that never break 90, which are
cleaner than most "near perfect" restaurants in other counties. We are
actually lucky to have such demanding health inspectors, although it isn't
always a source of joy to those in the restaurant business.

One thing that will cost an instant five points, and requires mandatory
reinspection, is "presence of insects." It is rarely checked, particularly
when the inspector doesn't want to reinspect or the County doesn't want to
pay for reinspection. But I can guarantee you that, with full access to any
restaurant's kitchen, I will find evidence of "presence of insects."
gull
response 48 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 22:45 UTC 2000

California, interestingly enough, has no requirement that restaurants be
inspected.  Caveat emptor, I guess.  (They also don't require that amusement
park rides be inspected.)
jep
response 49 of 81: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 18:18 UTC 2000

re #23: Whole milk is 3.5% fat.  I don't think this is because all cows 
produce milk with 3.5% fat; I think the milk is processed without much 
fat, then the fat is added to bring it up to 3.5%, or 2% for "reduced 
fat", or 1% for "low fat", or none is added back in for "non-fat".  It's 
not possible to buy it any more in America, but when I was a kid I had 
fresh, whole, non-processed milk a few times.  It was a different liquid 
than the milk sold in cartons in stores.

McDonald's varies widely in quality, but not as widely as Burger King.  
The McDonald's in Saline has become unacceptable in quality in the last 
year.  The one near the Meijer's on Carpenter Rd. has been miserably 
slow for years, and so has the one on Plymouth Rd.  I work at Domino 
Farms; if I want McDonald's for lunch, I drive to Washtenaw Ave in 
Pittsfield Township because it's quicker.

At it's best, Burger King is much better than anything produced by 
McDonalds.  A hot off the grill Whopper, which hasn't been 
mummified under a heat lamp, is great.  However, it's very unlikely 
you'll get anything at it's best from Burger King.  
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