response 26 of 50:

Nov 4 13:16 UTC 2000

Ouch, beedy is buying into the lies of the Bush campaign.

1.  Gore *never* claimed to be the inspiration for "Love Story".  Actually,
the author has said that Gore was indeed part of the inspiration.

Thought you were gonna vote on the issues, beedy.

response 28 of 50:

Nov 4 18:34 UTC 2000

[Pssst, jerryr, "obfuscate" means "darken, confuse, make obscure."  If 
you're looking for a synonym for "lie" that you can use every last 
fuckin' time in the hope that people will think you're educated, 
try "prevaricate."]

response 30 of 50:

Nov 4 20:29 UTC 2000

Woah, now you're arguing that Nader has never lied or done anything he
shouldn't have?  Amazing.

I suspect the press just isn't paying as much attention to Nader.

response 32 of 50:

Nov 4 22:15 UTC 2000

Hmmm, I heard on CNN that the defense attorney who struck GWB's name
off the list of potential jurors later got appointed to the Texas
Supreme Court.

response 34 of 50:

Nov 5 04:06 UTC 2000

 while blasting his opponent for various sins Bush doesn't seem
 able to list. ... > Steve, haven't you heard? Gore did hashish in Vietnam.
It must be true, I read it on Grex.

#33> Wow. The record will demonstrate that Gore was a friend of Phelps' before
Phelps started Godhatesfags.com... what a sin! Being acquainted with a bigot
years before he was a public bigot.

The Jews tried to bring Lieberman down because he made a remark about wanting
to meet with Farrakhan to talk things over. That didn't work, either.

Bring me a quote of Gore saying, "I've always been in favor of gay rights,"
or stop digging dirt up.

response 36 of 50:

Nov 5 13:28 UTC 2000

for the record:  i use obfuscate because it conveys what i mean.  duck, jive
and weave w/o telling outright lies.

*kiss*

response 38 of 50:

Nov 5 17:21 UTC 2000

[Translation of #36: He doesn't know any better.]

There is a rumor making the rounds of the Muslim and Chaldean 
communties that the Israelis intend to have Gore assasinated if he 
becomes president so the US will have a Jewish, and presumably rabid 
pro-Israel, president.  This has been one weird election.

response 40 of 50:

Nov 5 20:39 UTC 2000

re 37:
        That was certainly the story told by Gore's tenants (who, in the
one press picture I saw of them were shown standing on their fron porch waving
their rifles around, and as such didn't strike me as all that "balanced").
Gore's answer was that he was a very hands off landlord, who hired a
management company to take care of his rental properties, and that the first
he had heard of the problems was when the tenants went to the press about it.
This strikes me as quite believable, given that I can't imagine the Vice
President of the US having much time to deal with being a landlord, and the
arrangement that a management company runs a property for a landlord is pretty
common.  Gore then told the press and supposedly the tenants that he would
get the problems taken care of.

What happened next is where it got strange.  The tenants went back to the
press, had their picture taken waving their guns around on the front porch,
and announced that the repair people Gore had sent had done a bad job. 
Following that, somebody (I forget whether it was the Bush campaign or the
Republican Party) announced that they were helping the tenants move out of
Gore's house and into something better maintained.  To make things stranger,
the new place was not in Carthage, Tennessee (where the Gore owned house was),
but in Lima, Ohio.

I've moved to get away from a bad landlord.  It's certainly a reasonable thing
to do.  I've also moved very long distances, including most recently last
summmer.  However, moving to a different state just to get away from a bad
landlord seems very strange.  I'm assuming there was some other motivation
for the move.  Moving a long distance is expensive.  When I wanted to move
from Michigan to California, the first step of the process was to find an
employer who would pay for the move, and still had to put down a fair amount
of my own money for things like the security deposit on my new place.  Imagine
how much simpler it would have been if I could have just complained to the
press about my old landlord.

I think neither the Gore landlord story or the Bush drunk driving story is
all that significant compared to the other issues in the campaign.  How the
candidates handled the stories may say more.  In the case of Gore and his
tenants, Gore did at least appear to be trying to do something about the
situation.  Maybe the repair people he sent didn't do a good job, but it
certainly would have been difficult to supervise them personally in the midst
of a Presidential campaign.  Bush's handling of the drunk driving arrest
continues to bother me.  Here's a guy who apparrently had a reputation for
driving drunk a lot in those days, and could presumably have killed somebody
had he not been lucky, saying that he paid a fine so it shouldn't be a big
deal.

response 42 of 50:

Nov 6 03:47 UTC 2000

re#29: Isn't Nader gay?  Although he is apparently very 'discrete'...

response 44 of 50:

Nov 6 06:49 UTC 2000

Re 41.  That's interesting, but I don't remember the name of the guy
who got Bush out of jury service.  I was just repeating what I heard
on CNN, anyway.

Another source of confusion is that, as I understand it, Texas has
two Supreme Courts, one for civil cases and one for criminal cases.

response 46 of 50:

Nov 6 18:19 UTC 2000

Jerry Brown did jury duty when he was governor of California.  Since he
had advocated and signed the bill that eliminated the automatic exemptions
from jury service, it was felt he would set a bad example by trying to get
out of it.

response 48 of 50:

Nov 7 19:10 UTC 2000

The defense attorney in the case was David Wahlberg, who says that he
wanted to examine G.W. about his past record, but after a meeting in
chambers with G.W.'s general counsel, Alberto Gonzales, the issue of
clemency powers was raised, and he decided not to oppose Bush's recusal
because he felt it was in his client's best interest. It is Alberto
Gonzales who was later appointed to the Texas Supreme Court.