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cyklone
response 25 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 21 23:49 UTC 2002

Re #23: Anthropomorphize?
jaklumen
response 26 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 00:20 UTC 2002

I think that's it, yeah.
oval
response 27 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 01:26 UTC 2002

i'd never heard of this sort of thing until this thread. i just keep picturing
the agora 'veal fucking' discussed earlier, and imagining undoing the seam
in poor teddy's bum and goin at it. is this related to wanting sex with actual
living animals? or only cute, cartoonish ones?
brighn
response 28 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 02:39 UTC 2002

"Anthropomorphise" means to give something human characteristics.
 
The most obvious corollary would be "zoomorphise," but that wouldn't just be
humans, that would be to give anything animal characteristics.
brighn
response 29 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 02:44 UTC 2002

I thought I'd heard the word before. Zoomorphism refers to Gods with animal
parts (particualarly common in Egypt and India):
SYLLABICATION: zo7o7mor7phism 
PRONUNCIATION:   z-mtrfzm 
NOUN: 1. Attribution of animal characteristics or qualities to a god. 2. Use
of animal forms in symbolism, literature, or graphic representation.  
(Bartleby.com/American Heritage Dictionary)
jazz
response 30 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 04:03 UTC 2002

        Zoomorphism.  Thanks, Paul, I knew I could count on you to back me up
on the linguistic angle.
vidar
response 31 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 13:06 UTC 2002

Funny, only part of that is what I know about furries.  Then again I 
have a skewed very point: the furries I learned from also happen to be 
infantilists.
phenix
response 32 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 13:23 UTC 2002

well there's always furrymuck
rlejeune
response 33 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 16:28 UTC 2002

Most furries aren't actually zoophiles (the guys who like real live animals).
You can see one of us in action at: www.ratatak.com/bizarre/?show=MVC-066S.jpg
:)
brighn
response 34 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 17:06 UTC 2002

I've heard of a distinction made between zoophiles and bestialists. The former
have intimate relationships with animals, with or without sex (a zoophile I
knew was in love with a spayed dog, and wouldn't have sex with her because
of her condition, out of reespect to her); the latter don't have emotional
ties, they just like to fuck non-humans.
flem
response 35 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 18:17 UTC 2002

I've known about the concept of furries for a long time, but somehow I always
associated it with, like, anthropomorphic sci-fi aliens who happened to be
(at least partially) covered in fur, rather than plush toys.  Maybe I just
read the wrong bad fantasy novels growing up. 
rlejeune
response 36 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 20:01 UTC 2002

Some are into that. There are variations in furries as in everything else. And
yes, there is a distinction between zoophiles and bestialists, but most people
wouldn't get to the point where they are picky enough to pinpoint the
difference. 
jazz
response 37 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 22 23:33 UTC 2002

        Wow, that's cool.  I have another picture to send if I ever get stuck
in another escalating weirdness contest.

        I'd never heard about the plush toys angle, either.  I guess it's
kinda obvious now that you mention it, but it never occured to me.  I'd
always thought it was one of those more abstract fantasy-ish kinks.
vidar
response 38 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 23 15:08 UTC 2002

resp #35: That's more like what I heard.
jaklumen
response 39 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 24 10:05 UTC 2002

right.  The first time I'd heard anything about it was from one of my 
sisters (that would be Jen, Greg) who said there was a guy who had 
leopard spots tattooed onto his body, and was getting permanently 
affixed fangs.

I'm sure there is varying degrees of seriousness, and you never know 
where they may be (your city, maybe)?  I thought Eastern Washington 
was considered a cultural wasteland, but I remember finding out some 
gay porn star/swinger lived or traveled around my old hometown area.  
He had orange stripes lining his lower torso.  *shrug* don't think 
that qualifies him as a furry, but..
jazz
response 40 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 24 14:28 UTC 2002

        The guy you're thinking of calls himself Cat.  Original, huh?

        I never thought of him as a "furry" though;  he seemed more like one
of those extreme body modification enthusiasts, with a particular theme.  He
hasn't mentioned anything about being into other people who are catlike, or
animallike, in any of the inverviews that I've seen or read, and attributes
his passion to a tribal upbringing.
jaklumen
response 41 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 25 02:23 UTC 2002

Ah, okay.. 
jaklumen
response 42 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 25 02:24 UTC 2002

I forget what the porn star calls himself, tho.
jazz
response 43 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 25 02:53 UTC 2002

        What porn star?

        I was hoping someone'd take me up on the statement that Cat's just an
extreme body modifier or modern primitive and not a furry.  Shame.
jmsaul
response 44 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 25 03:58 UTC 2002

There's a Leopard guy who has his entire body tattooed, and lives somewhere
in the UK in a remote area.  As remote as you can get in the UK, that is.
jazz
response 45 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 25 13:31 UTC 2002

        Sounds like one of my old roommates. ;)
orinoco
response 46 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 25 17:19 UTC 2002

Re #43: I was thinking about it, but I realized most of my arguments would
be based on pretty shallow demographics.  My intuition runs something like:
Knows UNIX?  Furry.  Goes to punk shows?  Body mod enthusiast.  Does both?
Flip a coin.  

The "Leopard guy" was in the Guinness book of records when last I read it,
for having the greatest percentage of his skin tattooed.  He's got plain
yellow inked in between the spots, so there's ink covering upwards of 90% of
his skin.  I don't recall where he doesn't have it, although I suspect he
might have everything but eyelids and genitals covered.
jazz
response 47 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 26 00:51 UTC 2002

        I don't know.  There are a lot of punk, gothic, and industrial fans
in the technology sector - quite possibly because it's one of the only
decent-paying jobs where you can learn on your own and wear what you choose
- who would have to get all dark and stompy on the plush animal abusers.  My
guess is that anyone who's gone through that degree of body modification has
to be an enthusiast of it;  it's too great a thing to ask of someone who
isn't in love with the idea.
jaklumen
response 48 of 48: Mark Unseen   Mar 26 01:20 UTC 2002

resp:43  the other guy I was talking about with the tiger stripes.

I didn't feel like engaging in a debate about Cat's existence as a 
furry.. to wit, I don't have full definitions of what a furry is and 
isn't.  If he doesn't feel akin to mating with animals, or doesn't 
believe he *is* an animal partly in soul, that deflates a lot of the 
argument.  Sorry.
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