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Grex > Music2 > #253: Who/What Will be Remembered from the 20th Century? | |
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slmshady
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response 25 of 34:
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May 21 04:07 UTC 2000 |
I am THE real slim shady.
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dbratman
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response 26 of 34:
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May 21 05:33 UTC 2000 |
John Williams hardly combined classical and pop techniques. He simply
took the stylistic traits of early modern classical composers like
Richard Strauss and Gustav Holst and applied them to film music. Very
well, too, and you won't get much criticism of him from me -- though the
repetition of the same-old same-old in _Phantom Menace_ seemed a bit
tired, and for the first time, I felt that _Star Wars_ really seemed
like an old hack Sunday serial, as Lucas intended. But even at its
best, I wouldn't count Williams's achievement at century-best level.
Who did combine classical and pop techniques well? Surprisingly, the
minimalists, several of whom have been brilliant at writing classical
music with a rock sensibility (especially in pacing and structure). And
a lot of classical-influenced pop musicians, especially of the art rock
school: not ELP, who suck, but Renaissance in particular.
I like Prokofiev a whole lot. He isn't #1, but he's definitely in the
top ten of the century for me, possibly the top five.
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raven
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response 27 of 34:
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May 21 18:38 UTC 2000 |
Gershwin <sp?> would be the inovator of combing classical and popular music
in the 20th century. Rhaposody in Blue is probably going to be remembered
for a while if nothing else for being so damn catchy.
I still think Bartok the best of 20th century harmonic inovations and combined
them with haunting melodies and interesting percussion to make some of the most
intersting 20th century classical IMO.
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orinoco
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response 28 of 34:
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May 21 20:31 UTC 2000 |
Gershwin may have done it before the Minimalists did, but in my opinion he
didn't do as good or as interesting a job of it. "Rhapsody in Blue" is
catchy, yeah, but the combination of classical and popular ideas doesn't run
very deep -- it's basically a straightforward classical showpiece with a few
"jazzy" notes thrown in for effect.
If you want an earlier example of popular/classical crossover than Gershwin,
I'd look at Charles Ives, who managed to incorporate a lot of the spirit and
raucousness of popular music into his compositions, rather than writing fussy
classical pieces on the blues scale.
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lumen
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response 29 of 34:
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May 25 00:08 UTC 2000 |
Charles Ives is *already* a part of music history study. He's already
been cast by scholars, so don't bother worrying about whether or not
he'll be remembered.
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dbratman
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response 30 of 34:
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May 30 20:05 UTC 2000 |
Gershwin, I think, would have had a profound influence on both classical
music and jazz had he lived, but he died before he was able to take his
fusion program very far.
Neither the minimalists, Gershwin, nor Ives, was the innovator of
combining classical and pop music. It's been going on as long as either
has existed. Many classical composers wrote popular songs in the forms
of their day; and music for popular dances has been part of classical
music from the beginning: Bach and Mozart, for instance, wrote whole
suites of dance music. It could even be said that dance music is the
root of all classical instrumental music.
At any rate, classical music isn't "fussy". Only bad classical music is
fussy.
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carla
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response 31 of 34:
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May 30 20:06 UTC 2000 |
I own a copy of Gershwin plays gershwin, it's a great lil albumn.
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goose
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response 32 of 34:
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Jun 8 01:45 UTC 2000 |
Varese
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isis
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response 33 of 34:
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Jun 9 03:10 UTC 2000 |
Maurice Ravel. His orchestration of Pictures AT An Exhibition is simply
incredible, and just about everyone who knows figure skating has heard Bolero.
I'm also tossing in a vote for Aaron Copland and my gratuitous votes for Led
Zeppelin, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones and Jimi Hendrix
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dbratman
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response 34 of 34:
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Jun 12 23:55 UTC 2000 |
Once upon a time, it was everyone who knew Bo Derek who had heard
Bolero. A protean work, indeed.
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