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lumen
response 25 of 31: Mark Unseen   May 17 21:10 UTC 2000

Re: the Beatles-- well, that would seem to point to the fact that the 
Brits put pop music to video for a long time.  But as I said, you could 
probably take out musical numbers from Elvis movies and tout them as 
videos-- Elvis really couldn't act well, and any attempts he really 
made to were suppressed.  It's been noted that there were some biting 
and slightly realistic scenes from "Jailhouse Rock" that were never 
used and were never shown until a documentary brought them to light.

I should correct what I said earlier: Nesmith found a company that had 
an empty *broadcast* feed, and "Pop Clips" was a series he created to 
convince them to start MTV.

"I Want My MTV" was a promotional slogan that a *lot* of artists were 
involved in.  It's interesting to note that the Police were involved, 
as Sting sang this slogan for the Dire Straits song.  brighn is correct 
in stating this was inspired by an overheard conversation, and the 
program noted Dire Straits was not a particularly video-ready band 
before the video was made.  It looks horribly dated now, but at the 
time, they were barely keeping up with the computer animation.  What's 
hilarious is that an MTV VJ was quoted as saying this tune seemed to be 
a mobius strip of sorts in its statement.  The computer animated 
characters were only used to avoid some controversy and distance it a 
little from raw reality, so the show said.

I managed to tape the entire series as it was shown as one program last 
Saturday.  The history is pretty comprehensive; the discussion includes 
influences on television, on movies (like lousy movies that essentially 
promoted soundtracks); discussion of video cliches, pop, rock, and rap; 
commercialization of the music video; music videos 'saving the world' 
("We Are The World", Band Aid: "Do They Know It's Christmas", "(I Ain't 
Gonna Play) Sun City," the Pet Shop Boys' involvement in MTV Russia and 
the claim that MTV helped bring the Berlin Wall down, etc.)

I feel a little deprived: as I said, glam rock was the order of the day 
once MTV came to my house-- Twisted Sister, David Lee Roth, and Motley 
Crue were the bands I could remember.  But MTV wasn't accessible 
everywhere very early on.  In its first year, only a few houses had 
access, and this was the point behind the "I Want My MTV" slogan.  If 
it was available in Spokane (MTV Network's kid channel Nickelodeon was 
in the early 80's), I doubt I would have been permitted to watch for 
long.

In their specials about MTV VJs, MTV itself explains the details of how 
they kept the bills paid-- even wall to wall vids of commercially 
successful stuff didn't do it.  My guess is M2 can do more of what 
early MTV used to do since income from expenses for satellite carriers 
or large population cable areas covers the costs. 
lumen
response 26 of 31: Mark Unseen   May 25 23:01 UTC 2000

I'll cut to the point since this item is about dead.  The whole thesis 
of the VH1 program was the question: Did video kill the radio star?  
Technically, no.  But the rise of MTV has made video a necessary 
marketing tool for creating superstar careers.  Relatively few people 
make it big on radio play alone these days.

Again, I thought the program was a pretty thorough analysis of the 
connection between film and music that could be described as the music 
video.  It also makes sense of the connection that movies and music have 
now days.. from Elvis and the Beatles to music video directors moving to 
 become movie directors and vice versa (Russel Mulcahy directed 
"Highlander"), it all has a root somewhere.
scott
response 27 of 31: Mark Unseen   May 26 01:47 UTC 2000

Hmmmmm.... could MP3 kill the video star?  It'll be a while before people have
the bandwidth to download videos...
brighn
response 28 of 31: Mark Unseen   May 26 14:49 UTC 2000

that won't kill the video star, though... 
lumen
response 29 of 31: Mark Unseen   May 26 22:46 UTC 2000

right, and I think someone pointed out that MP3 works well for college 
students and network professionals, but that the general public 
probably won't download it en masse.

So the video star will at least be popular with the high schoolers.. 
dunno.
void
response 30 of 31: Mark Unseen   May 28 14:12 UTC 2000

   videos were better when record execs hadn't *quite* twigged to them
yet.  these days mtv might as well be running three-minute softcore
pornos.
lumen
response 31 of 31: Mark Unseen   May 31 01:27 UTC 2000

well, yeah, but the program points out that it was inevitable.. we're 
running on a capitalistic system, and artsy videos just didn't pay the 
bills.  The whole *point*, or objective, I should say, of MTV was to 
prove that a music video channel would sell records, and they stated 
that very clearly.

What's even funnier is that VH1 also ran a program connecting porn and 
rock (via the groupie phenomenon, I guess).  Edgy rock stars are either 
appearing with groupies in porno flicks, or associating with porn stars. 
 There's even talk about some of them recording music for porn videos 
(which would be an improvement for the vids).  So the idea of MTV 
running 3-min softcore pornos doesn't sound *all* that surprising to me.

It's hard to stay progressive, since that doesn't make a lot of money.  
MTV, much like any network, fell to corporate greed a long time ago and 
subsequently went more and more mainstream.  Sometimes I wonder if it 
could get any worse.. there is less there that is unusual.  120 Minutes 
isn't the show it used to be, and neither is AMP (which is AMP 2.0 now, 
actually), and it comes in at 02:00 here.
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