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clees
response 25 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 23:17 UTC 2000

Good show Steve.
I simply overlooked Nirvana and Pearl Jam. And when we stay in guitar I should
add Smashing Pumpkins too, but the album would be Gish.
senna
response 26 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 02:08 UTC 2000

Good point.  After Alanis, though, female artists exploded.  I'm not 
sure what the cause-effect relationship is, but I know that things have 
really improved recently.

I neglected to mention Superunknown, by Soundgarden.  My second rock 
album.  Pretty much an example of a good band hitting their peak.
beeswing
response 27 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 04:15 UTC 2000

Alanis. Eh. I am suspect of people who sing about angst, pain, blah 
blah blah, but do not write their own songs. 
raven
response 28 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 07:19 UTC 2000

re #27 Nice...  Yes about the only angst rocker I have respect for is
Kristen Hersh.
senna
response 29 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 22:33 UTC 2000

I'm suspect of people who sing of love, joy, and longing without writing their
songs, too :)
gnat
response 30 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 00:14 UTC 2000

IMO, Kristin Hersh is much more than an "angst rocker"... and as far
as female 90's artists go, she and PJ Harvey could kick Morrissette's
butt all over creation.  :)
mcnally
response 31 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 05:47 UTC 2000

  first -- a disclaimer..

  I know I've probably forgottenn something utterly brillinant, perhaps
  the defining musical moment of the 90s (for me, anyway.)  so I'm not
  going to claim that these are the best albums of the 90s, or even my
  favorite albums from that period, just that they're remarkable albums
  that I think deserve attention..
mcnally
response 32 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 05:54 UTC 2000

 Eight Unforgettable Albums from the 1990s:

    the Mekons -- "Curse of the Mekons" (1991)
    Combining the best elements of rock and roll with their love of
    traditional country and folk music, the Mekons (originally from Leeds,
    England, now headquartered in Chicago, IL) hit their high point with
    this album (and its pre-1990 predecessor "Rock 'n' Roll") Intelligent,
    pointed songwriting, gorgeous vocals from Sally Timms, and an enjoyable
    balance between straightforward rock guitar and more traditional
    instrumentation (always a difficult mix to pull off properly, IMHO)
    combine to make this one of my favorite albums, period.

    My Bloody Valentine -- "Loveless" (1991)
    A totally amazing sonic collage.  Parts of this recording supposedly
    consist of hundreds of overlaid guitar tracks and the claim is believable.
    At any rate, Phil Spector's "Wall of Sound" had nothing on MBV's Kevin
    Shields.  I'm not capable of explaining how an album that can best be
    described as "multilayered guitar drone" can nevertheless be so intricately
    and beautifully textured.  Takes many, many listens to fully appreciate.

    Yo La Tengo -- "Painless" (1993) and "Electr-o-Pura" (1995)
    Brilliant pop music created by Yo La Tengo, Hoboken, NJ's most
    prominent Velvet Underground worshippers (and my favorite band
    of the 1990s.)  Although they have yet to produce a perfect album,
    these are two of their most consistent and I highly recommend either
    of them.

    Various Artists -- "The Soul of Black Peru" (1995)
    The best thing to come out of ex-Talking-Head David Byrne's post-Heads
    infatuation with the music of Latin America, this album showcases the
    remarkable music of Peru's black ghettoes.  Mixing Latin and African
    influences, this is music that's really worth checking out.  I'm really
    not sure what else I can say about it without sinking into world-music
    cliches, but this is a really, really, really good album..

    Massive Attack -- "Protection" (1995) and "No Protection" (1996)
    Although Portishead's "Dummy" was the album that brought England's
    trip-hop scene widespread recognition in the States, Massive Attack's
    "Protection" represents the pinnacle of the genre (in my opinion.)
    Smoky female vocals combine with note-perfect production to remarkable
    effect.  Perhaps even more remarkable, the following year Massive Attack
    and Mad Professor collaborated to produce "No Protection", a song-by-song
    dub re-mix of the "Protection" album.  In dub, an originally Jamaican
    musical form, a studio wizard creates a new work of art by starting with
    a musical recording and manipulating it in the studio, combining, editing,
    playing with rhythm and tempos..  Mad Professor, usually not one of my
    favorite dub masters, managed to re-work "Protection" into the best dub
    album in twenty years, in the process producing a shining example of the
    relationship between a dub creation and the original work that inspires it.

    Various Artists -- "The Soul of Cape Verde" (1996)
    Despite the similar name this album has no relation to the aforementioned
    "Soul of Black Peru".  Instead, this wonderful recording is a collection
    of music from the Cape Verde islands, a former Portuguese colony off the
    westernmost tip of Africa (off the coast of Senegal.)  Mournful and
    particularly lovely music.

    Spiritualized -- "Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space" (1998)
    A powerful statement about the price of substance abuse, this is
    Jason Pierce's best work.  Sincere songwriting, killer pop hooks,
    just a great album.

    the Magnetic Fields -- "69 Love Songs" (1999)  Up until this fall my
    "best of the 90's" list would have featured another Magnetic Fields
    album, the country-themed "Charm of the Highway Strip", but when I
    finally got my hands on this fall's massive (3 CDs, 69 songs) release
    I was hooked within minutes.  Leader Stephin Merritt's quirky songwriting
    is the only unifying theme as the band covers every musical style you
    can think of over the course of these 69 songs about love and hate.
    The element that I truly didn't expect was the humor.  Not above making
    fun of himself or the whole grandiose project, Merritt has produced a
    simply amazing work of pop music -- I can't think of anything else that's
    even remotely similar.



 Honorable Mention (alphabetical order):

    Catherine Wheel -- Ferment
       Shoegazer pop that's heavier than normal on the guitars, brilliantly
       produced by Tim Friese-Greene (Talk Talk)

    Donald Fagen -- "Kamakiriad"
       Steely Dan's Donald Fagen and Walter Becker get back together on
       Fagen's second solo album, a futuristic excursion through America
       in a steam-powered car.  Painstakingly produced and almost as good
       as Steely Dan.

    Mojave 3 -- "Ask Me Tomorrow"
       After the band Slowdive dissolved, several of the members formed
       Mojave 3.  They traded in their electric guitars and studio electronics
       for a more acoustic sound and recorded this very mellow album.

    Nirvana -- MTV Unplugged
       Recorded shortly before Kurt Cobain's suicide, this performance
       features versions of several songs that are substantially superior
       to the original album versions as well as a number of well-chosen
       and unexpected covers.

    Pet Shop Boys -- Very
       I'm not really a big Pet Shop Boys fan, most of their music is too
       sterile and club-oriented for me.  And there are many who will be
       put off by the fact that this album is just flamingly queer.  But
       it's filled with some of the best-crafted pop songs of the 90s and
       absolutely deserves a listen even if you've convinced yourself you
       "don't like that kind of music."

    Ride -- "Carnival of Light"
       British band Ride abandoned their shoegazer style and went back to
       their roots, producing a remarkable homage to their favorite 60s acts
       (most especially the Byrds) and pissing off 90% of their fans in the
       process.  Anyway, I loved this album because it celebrates many of
       the things I love about 60s music.

    The The -- Hanky Panky
       What a bizarre concept for an album -- The The's Matt Johnson does
       an entire album of Hank Williams (Sr.) covers.  The thing that makes
       this a great album is that these are *not* slavish re-recordings of
       the songs the way Hank (and countless others) have recorded them,
       but in several cases are stunning re-imaginings of classic songs,
       casting them in a whole new light.  High point of the album --
       "I Saw the Light"

    U2 -- "Zooropa"
       After I spent 1986-1987 living in a college dorm during the period
       when nobody seemed to be listening to ANYTHING except "The Joshua Tree"
       and/or "The Unforgettable Fire", prospects seemed dim that I would ever
       again be able to listen to a U2 album without developing a pronounced
       facial tic.  Who knew that in the mid-90s they'd team up with producer
       Brian Eno to record an album that was completely unlike anything they'd
       done before (and all the better for that..)?
raven
response 33 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 09:16 UTC 2000

Ok point taken Kristen Hersh is much more than an angst rocker, I know
I have all her cds both Muses and post Muses.  I also agree about PJ
harvey though i think I lean more towards her early guitar distored cello
efforts like Dry.  i also have to agree My Bloody Valentine made some of the
most intricate gorgeous music of the 90s.
md
response 34 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 12:16 UTC 2000

To me, this item is the musical equivalent of
the compiler discussion in Item 47.  I'm sure
you all know what each other is talking about.
clees
response 35 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 15:38 UTC 2000

Gee.
Reading all these responses I must say that the  average
appreciation for non-mainstream music here outscales the
Dutch by far. I have seen so many names that are prominently
present in my collection I am awed.
Maybe it's a Grex thing, but you certainly rock/kick
more ass than the general Dutch does. 
As amatter fof act, what's considered underground is
pretty main stream around here.
Worthy of being mentioned:
Kristin Hersch
Throwing Muses
the Breeders
Ride
Curve
My bloody Valentine
Massive Attack
Tricky
Radiohead
Rage against the machine
Moon 7 times
Rose chronicles
the Verve
Fat boy slim
Prodigy
Ned's atomic dustbin
Mighty mighty bosstones
need I go on?
(I have got a lot of cd's)
gnat
response 36 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 15:44 UTC 2000

re. 33 - yeah, I like PJ Harvey's earlier stuff too.  I liked it
when she played guitar!  I don't think she does anymore.  I remember
that MTV footage of her in a fuzzy pink dress belting out "Wang Dang
Doodle" - wow!

My Bloody Valentine are/were amazing.  I wish I could have seen
them live - I heard their noise freak-outs used to drive people
screaming for the exits.
mcnally
response 37 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 17:03 UTC 2000

  They're *such* a studio band I can't even imagine how different they'd
  sound live..
orinoco
response 38 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 17:11 UTC 2000

I've never heard of Moon 7 Times, but that's gotta be the best band name I've
heard in ages.  What're they like?
clees
response 39 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 07:14 UTC 2000

Moon 7 times are a bit dreamy.
I often compared them to a mixture between Cocteau Twins and even
more obscure stuff like Love is colder than death.
In fact Moon 7 times is less icy than the Coteaus are.
I think they are Canadian. Try getting to the albums 7=49 and Moon 7 
times.

My bloody valentine did that yes. The one concert I visited is still 
regarded as legandary as they drove out all the people (except for 
five or so, including me, although I had covered my ears by that 
time) from Amsterdam rock temple Paradiso by feedbacking for more than 
15 minutes on one chord. As a given times it was like the music started 
to enevelop you entirely (at this point it started to hurt) coming from 
the front and the back walls at the same time. It was somekind of 
painful trip. Later I heard that some people even had thrown up as the 
result of this feedback.
As for me, well, I started it off by saying "I can take it, I have heard
 this all before." (Jesus and Marychain, Pill, Bad religion and such 
stuff). That wasn't entirely true, as I found out.
mdw
response 40 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 07:47 UTC 2000

How's your hearing?
sspan
response 41 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 11:23 UTC 2000

Hmm.. best of the decade? I'm gonna have to go with a three way tie, Maria
McKee's 'you gotta sin to get saved', 10,000 Maniacs 'Our time in Eden', and
Grey Eye Glances 'Eventide' none of which I think I'll ever tire of playing
over and over and...
Also.. someone mentioned Moon 7 times, I saw m7x's singer, Lynn Canfield last
year, a really good, but somewht strange show, compleat with a couple of birds
as backup singers. I bought a boxed set of CDs from her various projects
including m7x, pretty nice stuff.
cyklone
response 42 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 13:37 UTC 2000

Re MBV: I saw them live at St. Andrews. They did do the 15 minute feedback
finale and it was impressive, as well as loud. Reminded me of the sensory
overload at the end of 2001. As a musician, I damaged my hearing years
ago, but I'm sure MBV contributed. I now take ear plugs to all concerts.

clees
response 43 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 00:12 UTC 2000

Always tend to forget that. Although my hearing still is fine enough, such
concerts left a buzz ringing for a couple of days. That can't be good. But
still I think I beat people that always got walkmans on or go to raves every
weekend. Sonic overload has slipped my style some time ago. I have mellowed
down a bit.
beeswing
response 44 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 19:34 UTC 2000

I just got Liz Phair's "Girlysound" CDs, from an Ebay auction. It's two 
CDs that she recorded in her bedroom, probably in 1990 or so. It's what 
got circulated to record people, and some of the songs are on her 
professionally done albums. But "Girlysound" was never released to the 
public. Except.... for dubbed copies! Yippity!! Now I can rock out to 
modern classics like "Black Market White Baby Dealer" and "Six Dick 
Pimp". :) 
lumen
response 45 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 05:09 UTC 2000

I don't buy enough CDs nor am I snobby enough to quote what best 
craftsmanship the industry did in the 90's.

Frankly, I was bored most of the time.

Seal's self-titled 1992 album is pure gold to me-- it was good enough to 
be featured on NPR and stuck the name "Trevor Horn" in my mind, the 
ex-lead singer of the Buggles ("Video Killed The Radio Star") and famous 
music producer.  It's very, very smooth listening, and the songwriting 
is decent.  I can expect this from a UK artist-- sometimes production 
can be fabulous.

Suzanne Vega's _Nine Objects of Desire_ was also featured on NPR, and I 
was really impressed with her improvement in songwriting.  The entire 
work is also very, very good.

Although I don't rate this album as highly as the first two, I was very 
impressed with Depeche Mode's album _Ultra_, especially as they've been 
a favorite of mine.  I had feared the band would break up, and yet this 
album proves the 3 that were the core of the group still had the desire 
and the magic there.

swa
response 46 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 13 02:11 UTC 2000

Hmm, most of the CDs I own are either very old or very obscure.  I'm afriad
I was too absent-minded to pay attention to much pop culture in the
nineties.  I seem to be a decade or two behind.  But I'd second REM's
"Automatic for the People" and Tori Amos' "Little Earthquakes," and
perhaps add Sting's "The Soul Cages."  

nephi
response 47 of 48: Mark Unseen   Jan 21 03:30 UTC 2000

(I'm dying to see Carson's response to this item . . . )
polvo
response 48 of 48: Mark Unseen   Feb 29 01:30 UTC 2000

Best album of the 90's
Polvo-Today's Active Lifestyles; completely destroyed any notion
of what "music" was for me.
Honorable Mention:
Yo La Tengo - I can hear the heart beating as one
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the 36 Chambers
Quasi - Featuring "birds"
Shellac - At Action Park
Weezer - S/T
Jesus Lizard - Liar
Teenage Fanclub - Bandwagonesque
GZA - Liquid Swords
Storm and Stress - We write threnodies, we write with explosions
Gary Numan - The Pleasure Principle (I know it was made 20 years ago, but
it's the best record of any decade, as far as I'm concerned.)
The Clean - Vehicle
Kool Keith - Black Elvis/Lost in Space
Um...every other good album came out in the 60's and 70's


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