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dbratman
response 25 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 05:48 UTC 2001

Sounds like a very interesting and useful book.
coyote
response 26 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 00:17 UTC 2001

Re #0:
If you're supposing total naivete on the part of the students, a good initial
unit would probably be one that would introduce the students to the
terminology and techniques of music, just as a beginning art history class
would introduce students to the ideas of subject, composition, technique,
style, etc.  Trying to define "what is music" is always an interesting place
to start.

There are some people who've worked at recreating Ancient Greek music, but
it is of course very speculative.  It's interesting to listen to, though, and
the Greeks are definitely worth discussing because of their great
contributions to music theory (studies of modes, intervals, etc. -- other
ancient civilizations such as the Chinese also made major developments in
theory, but I don't know as much about that.  I think that the Chinese made
some of the same musical discoveries as Pythagoras a few hundred years earlier
than him, actually.  I'm taking a non-Western music history class this
fall, so maybe I'll be able to tell you more later!)

A study of Western music history generally begins around the year 500 AD with
the Romanesque period of Medieval music.  Pretty much what we have from
this era is music created for church services/rituals.  Monophonic, 
conjuct plainchant is what we're talking about here, with Pope Gregory
catagorizing and labeling a great number of them sometime between 590 and
604 AD.  Plainchant itself has its roots in many musical traditions, such
as Jewish musical traditions, responsorial singing at early Christian
gatherings, hymns (some dating back to Assyria), and Eastern Christian
chant known as Byzantine chant.

As for listening examples, there are many CDs of Gregorian chant available;
I can't think of any particular chants that are exemplary and are
"must-listens," (although if I were teaching the class I might want to sneak
the Dies Irae in there because it recurrs so frequently throughout all of
Western music).

I guess that's a place to start.

md
response 27 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 12:33 UTC 2001

I dunno.  If I were teaching history of western music, I might start 
with some familiar classical piece Eine Kleine Nachtmusik or 
Beethoven's 5th and explain the layout of the movements and the sonata 
form of the first movement, and then move forward and back from there.  
That simple formal approach -- what does a symphony look like? what 
does a concerto look like? -- has the most bang for the buck.  Once you 
learn exposition-repeat-development-recapitulation-coda, you can listen 
to the entire classical period, most of the romantic period, and even 
much of the 20th century, and it'll start to make sense to you.  Even 
the first movement of Mahler's 6th, which seems so wild and sprawling, 
shows that Mahler was a member of the club who knew the rules and 
played by them.  

The rest of it -- medieval chant, Balinese gamelan, etc. -- is all very 
interesting, but peripheral and inessential for a beginner.
happyboy
response 28 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 15:22 UTC 2001

i'd start with the fiddle tune:
"Skunk in a Collard Patch"
coyote
response 29 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 18:59 UTC 2001

Re 27:
The only problem with doing something like that is that you're really starting
the study of music history in the mid-18th century, while Colleen was asking
for something that would trace music history from "a very early time."  What
you're suggesting would be a very interesting, good idea for an 
introductory music appreciation class, I think, but might not work as well
as an overview of music history.
davel
response 30 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 00:34 UTC 2001

So, why not "Nail That Catfish to the Tree" or maybe "Smash the Windows"?
dbratman
response 31 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 07:07 UTC 2001

MD has a point, and his method is the one I'd pick for designing a 
class, but it's not, strictly speaking, a historical survey.
jor
response 32 of 39: Mark Unseen   Sep 8 16:10 UTC 2001


        Western Music, by Grout, Professor of Music, Cornell 

        I have a copy of that. I *found* it laying in Angell
        Hall 20 years ago. I took one look inside and realized
        I could make great use of it. And I have. If I hear
        something on the radio I need to read about, it's
        excellent for that.
other
response 33 of 39: Mark Unseen   Sep 8 17:42 UTC 2001

Well, if anyone can find a recording by the Hollywood String Quartet of 
Arnold Schoenberg's 1899 piece 'Verklarte Nacht', it should definitely be 
included.  And if you *can* find it, please let me know, because I really 
want a copy.
cmcgee
response 34 of 39: Mark Unseen   Oct 18 16:26 UTC 2001

Now that my computer at work will play audio cds, I've started reading and
listening.  At least, I've been to the library and checked out some stuff.
eprom
response 35 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 22:45 UTC 2003

hmmm..

I'm a little confused about the evolution of turn of the century
music.
  
would it go something like this:

classical       ????-1900 (Sousa, Elgar, Rachmaninoff)
Ragtime         1890-1917 (joplin, berlin, europe, gershwin)
Dixieland       ???
Bigband         193?-194? (Glenn Miller, Goodman, Dorseys)

I'm guessing from there it branches again.
 
Modern Jazz (1950-196?) Miles Davis, Coletrain, Getz, Baker, Brubeck

early 50's (1950-1954) - Mel Torme, Dinah Shore, Rosemary Clooney
 
Early Rock & Roll (1954-196?) Elvis, BIll Haley, Dion, Kingston trio


Am I over simpilfying it?
jaklumen
response 36 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 23:24 UTC 2003

I'd say you are.  You're leaving out the blues, which is a very, very 
important forerunner to jazz.  Not sure how the blues breaks down, but 
don't forget when Muddy Waters plugged into an amp and changed the 
Delta sound, paving the way for later artists like B.B. King and 
Stevie Ray Vaughn.  You're also leaving out rhythm and blues, which 
formed the roots of rock and roll (which term was coined by DJ Alan 
Freid [sp?])

You shouldn't forget march music, of which Carl King and John Phillip 
Sousa were a part of.  Sousa does not belong in the Eurocentric 
category which you call 'classical,' really.  Sousa and Scott Joplin 
were contemporaries, so march music and ragtime were influenced by the 
other.

I believe George Gershwin was a jazz artist and not a ragtime 
composer.  I'm not sure about Irving Berlin, either.

If you want to break down classical properly, this would be a good bet:
Renaissance
Baroque
Classical
Romantic
Late Romantic (some musicologists classify Debussy as the 
Impressionist anomaly)
20th Century- John Cage, atonalism, minimalism
Remember that Beethoven bridged the Classical and Romantic periods.

Don't forget the evolution of folk music.  Not sure how to break this 
down, but I think the easiest classifications I can think of are
Traditional folk song
Country (Appalachian, hillbilly music)
Western (saddle songs, cattleman's music)
Country & Western (the merge)
There were heavy influences from Celtic music in Country and Western 
genres.

You seem to be breaking down jazz a little bit.  Jazz started out in 
New Orleans, grew up in Chicago, and came of age in New York.
From the blues:
Dixieland
Bigband
Swing
Bebop
Cool
Fusion
Scat
Freeform
Smooth (might get a little debate on this one)

Rock and Roll per se was changed early on.  Alan Fried coined the term 
to get airplay for 'race music,' which it was called at the time.  It 
was strongly influenced by rhythm and blues and many of the white-
faced groups you hear in 50's music were doing covers of tunes 
originally recorded by black artists.  Bill Haley and Earl Perkins (he 
originally did Blue Suede Shoes) were some of the artists responsible 
for mixing Texas swing with rock and roll and the genre has been 
trading licks with country & western genres to this day.  You should 
not forget the Beatles-- although they had a foot in the folk that was 
about in that day (it was changing a lot, thanks to Bob Dylan plugging 
in his guitar)-- I think most musicologists put them in rock and roll 
and are acknowledging the songwriting of McCartney and Lennon.

Rhythm & Blues, soul, and funk are likely the grandchildren of jazz.  
You have some of the history of rhythm & blues (albeit poor), although 
I can't be sure about the other two.  Soul and funk, I'm sure, are in 
the same vein.  James Brown is named in both genres as a pioneer.  As 
far as funk, George Clinton is another large influence.
cyklone
response 37 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 11:27 UTC 2003

Ummm, I think "Earl" Perkins is more commonly known as "Carl"  ;)
jaklumen
response 38 of 39: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 02:22 UTC 2003

Thank you-- I knew I didn't have that right and I should have just 
done a quick Google search.
djreload
response 39 of 39: Mark Unseen   Dec 13 21:40 UTC 2003

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