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trap
response 25 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 16:28 UTC 2006


            i bet this guy is missing his slut mom, her name is america. 


            :(
albaugh
response 26 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 19:42 UTC 2006

I have found the practice of trying to determine one film is better than
another during a particular calendar period to be flawed.  "Art" is either
good, bad, mediocre, outstanding, etc. regardless of whatever art happens to
be created at or about the same time.  They have turned an industry into an
arbitrary competition.  If some people enjoy it, fine.  Just don't try to take
it too seriously.
remmers
response 27 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 18:11 UTC 2006

The rant in #0 is seriously weird, especially coming from a major
author. I wonder what got into her.  (I also am a fan of her "The
Shipping News".)
richard
response 28 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 18 20:53 UTC 2006

I didnt find anything wrong with Proux's rant.  She is right about most 
of the academy voters being rich older folks living in mansions in L.A. 
who rarely ever go to the movies.  That has been stated many times in 
the press.  In fact many of the people who vote on these things haven't 
seen all (or sometimes any) of the nominated performances.  "Crash" had 
an advantage, as Proux points out, because it was out commercially on 
DVD before the Awards.  

The Awards, as Proux implies, are often a political process that has 
nothing to do with the merits of the performances and films.  Russell 
Crowe deserved to win best actor for "A Beautiful Mind" and was the 
favorite a couple of years back, but then at the British equivalent of 
the Oscars, he got into a row with the producer of the show who cut 
short his acceptance speech and fists went flying.  Suddenly the word 
went out around the elite in L.A. that Crowe was a bully and don't vote 
for him.  Columnists wrote "Crowe is a bully, don't vote for him"  As a 
result Crowe lost a race he should have won and would have won, clearly 
for off-screen behaviuor that had nothing to do with his performance.

I might differ with Proux's remarks about Seymour Hoffman's performance 
being possibly "less difficult" than Ledger's, because he was playing a 
real person and had videotapes and such of the actual person to go by.  
When people have a firm image of a person in their mind, I'd think it 
would be more difficult to get people to accept your performance of 
that person.  I think he had a harder job than Ledger did.

But otherwise, her rants about the awards being over commercialized and 
I think her comments were otherwise spot on.  I don't see it as her 
having sour grapes at all.  In fact I think Proux would have made much 
of the same comments had Brokeback Mountain won.
mcnally
response 29 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 18 21:16 UTC 2006

re #28:  first off, her name is spelled "Proulx".  but it's:

> I think Proux would have made much of the same comments had
> Brokeback Mountain won.

that I think people are going to have a hard time swallowing..
richard
response 30 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 18 23:55 UTC 2006

re #29 why? most of her comments had nothing to do with Brokeback 
Mountain not winning, and was just an indictment of the process and the 
show itself.  I don't see any base motives here on her part.  Clearly 
she had these views about the Oscars before that movie was even 
nominated, and still has those views now.  A lot of people do.  The 
Oscars aren't for everybody.  You don't really think she'd have written 
a piece heaping praise on the Oscars if the movie had won do you?  

I really think the criticism of her remarks again shows how people get 
lambasted in this day and age just for being outspoken.  The mihute 
your are outspoken about anything now, you are assumed to have the 
basest motives and are bashed into the ground.  Everyone thinks they 
are mind-readers nowadays.

McNally instead of assuming her motives, why don't you and everyone 
else just address the merits of her arguments, which are themselves 
quiet viable.  
cyklone
response 31 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 01:55 UTC 2006

Your last point is valid. However, once again you seem to have an amazing
ability to read minds. Surely there must be some way for you to profit from
such a valuable skill. Perhaps you should take up poker.
happyboy
response 32 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 02:07 UTC 2006

re0: tempest in a teapot.


/swoons onto couch like starina
richard
response 33 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 03:04 UTC 2006

re #31 cyklone I wasn't reading anybody's minds.  Other people were 
reading Annie Proulx's mind and making assumptions about why she wrote 
what she wrote.  I was focusing on her points, which I think are 
valid.  

cyklone also once again posts in an item not to make any point about 
the subject of the item, in this case annie proulx's comments, but to 
take a swipe at me or someone else.  I think Cyklone gives the 
impression (I say that because I don't read minds naturally) that his 
main desire to post here is to make cheap shots.  Which I could at 
least respect a *little* if you were posting under your real name 
instead of silly handle like "cyklone" 
scholar
response 34 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 03:15 UTC 2006

I thought this item was about fucking md's daughter.
tod
response 35 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 04:03 UTC 2006

She's not on Grex.  Pick a wetspot that at least can respond.
cyklone
response 36 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 19 04:54 UTC 2006

Hey Richard, sorry you don't like my style of posting. If you can't read 
minds, then just learn to read. To say "once again" I post "an item not 
making any point about the subject of the item" is a bit disingenuous 
considering how I've recently addressed "the subject of an item" recently 
with klingon, slynne, bap and klg. I don't like sloppy thinking, and if I 
see it, I mention it. The way I mention it may be construed as a "cheap 
shot." Doesn't bother me. If you want, feel free to criticize the "style" 
of my posts. Perhaps my use of quotes is too "bdh-esque."
edina
response 37 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 20 16:57 UTC 2006

Richard, I'm surprised at you.  I was fine with her comment on the whole
production that is the Oscars, but when she referred to "Crash" as "Trash"
- the whole vein of the argument was *right there*.  She's pissed because
Brokeback didn't win.  Fullstop.  
mcnally
response 38 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 20 17:27 UTC 2006

 re #37:  Thanks for pinpointing it.  By itself that would be enough
 to change the tone of the piece from "Pulitzer-prize winning novelist
 offers criticism of celebrity culture" to "ungracious loser complains
 about outcome."
slynne
response 39 of 40: Mark Unseen   Mar 20 17:54 UTC 2006

Plus, if she *really* were offering criticism of celebrity culture, she 
could have released her piece before the awards ceremony. It wasnt just 
what she said (although that was a big part of it), it was her timing. 
naftee
response 40 of 40: Mark Unseen   May 3 02:59 UTC 2006

responses 8 to 25 are excellent !
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