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scott
response 25 of 36: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 22:41 UTC 2003

That or a couple hoser brothers looking to get some free beer from Elsinore
Brewery.
tod
response 26 of 36: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 22:42 UTC 2003

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bru
response 27 of 36: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 23:07 UTC 2003

this group also pureed a lave rat on stage.  Wher was PETA!!!
tod
response 28 of 36: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 23:22 UTC 2003

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fitz
response 29 of 36: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 12:52 UTC 2003

>#10
Suicide laws have legal basis depending on what kind of suicide you are
talking about.  An involuntarty self-killing is always wrong and invention
is ethically right.  

The overreaching expansion of suicide laws to encompass voluntary
self-killings is certainly more problematic,depending on how paternaltisic
we want our society to be.
lynne
response 30 of 36: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 15:24 UTC 2003

28:  OUCH.
slynne
response 31 of 36: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 20:40 UTC 2003

resp:29 - What do you mean by involuntary and voluntary self-killing? 
tsty
response 32 of 36: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 07:03 UTC 2003

invention *is* ethically right ... and quite american expression of
individual liberty.
fitz
response 33 of 36: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 12:17 UTC 2003

involuntary self-killings:  accidental overdoses, attempt to die while
mentally impaired.

voluntary self-killings:  decision to die is reasoned, calculated motivated
and free of duress or misperception because of mental defect.

Certainly, there is a bias to think that suicide in never a voluntary
self-killing.  Nevertheless, a distinction can be made for the purposes of
discussion.  From a perspective of public policy, reports of a suicide attempt
need to be handled as involuntary self-killings for pausing to determine
whether a person wanted to die or not could be tragically fatal.
mdw
response 34 of 36: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 05:50 UTC 2003

It's not an either/or case.  It's a continuum, with lots of murky ground
in the middle, including a certain amount of uncertainty.  Do you
*really* have a fatal illness, or did the doctor's just make a mistake?
Are you *really* paralyzed for life, or will you make a partial recovery
next year? I think, on the whole, simply letting people decide this
entirely on their own breeds more evil than attempting to provide some
sort of public framework in which we can attempt to inject some measure
of objectivity and perhaps better catch mistakes and malicious behavior.
rcurl
response 35 of 36: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 21:01 UTC 2003

Add to "involuntary self-killing" extreme sports (like skiing down Mt
Everest). Some of those that engage in that fail, so they try again.
Deep free diving (the record is now near 900 feet) has mosttly been
successful involuntary self-killing.
willcome
response 36 of 36: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 07:46 UTC 2003

I mean, I bet the AMs'd like getting rewhoreds from the whores.
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