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tod
response 25 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jul 7 17:15 UTC 2003

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jazz
response 26 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jul 7 21:47 UTC 2003

        Let's found a pro-choice faith and apply for federal funding for
faith-based charities to help poor women get abortion counseling.
tod
response 27 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jul 7 21:51 UTC 2003

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polytarp
response 28 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jul 8 11:18 UTC 2003

Moonie.
russ
response 29 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jul 8 21:38 UTC 2003

No, Unitarianism is too wishy-washy.  You'd need a religion where
abortion is penance, a sacrifice one makes when one hasn't been
productive enough to support a(nother) child or when God gives you
a test by e.g. giving you a fetus with Down's or some other disorder
that should not be inflicted on a thinking, feeling being.

Call it the Church of Sanger.  Education and contraception would be
sacraments, of course; making one's self worthy and keeping out of
trouble would be tenets.  Sinful people have houses full of ill-clothed
kids that they never read to, and don't teach them that disease comes
from microbes and that people really did walk on the Moon.  Virtuous
people have houses full of books, and both houses and books are in
top shape.  Reading the newspaper is a mitzvah, watching television is
a sin, reading to children is a sacrament.  Learning biology and calculus
are mitzvahs, playing the lottery or with "crystals" are sins.

Ye gods, I think you could actually make this work.  There is enough
self-sacrifice inherent in the concept to make it attractive to a
certain group that needs that.  Done right, it could out-compete
Scientology without being at all odious.
other
response 30 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jul 8 23:49 UTC 2003

"...without being at all odious."  Heh.  By the sound of it, it is 
DESIGNED to be odious, at least to those whose views differ from yours.
russ
response 31 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 22:48 UTC 2003

Re #30:  Well, of course.  People who worship ignorance and canonize
the stupid deserve to be scandalized every waking moment.  If they
share any intellectual heritage with Calvinists they'll eventually
realize that the people who so outrage them are doing better than
they are and thus must be more favored by God... a moment which will
be noted with much hilarity by the Sangers.

Hmmm.  That's one thing that's missing from the Book of Sanger:  humor.
Gotta find a way to put some silliness in there somewhere.  Probably
have to hide it a bit so that the folks who can't stand humor don't
feel obligated to take notice and thus can continue to take part in
good conscience, but it oughtta be there.
flem
response 32 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 17:30 UTC 2003

Trust us, russ, there's plenty of humor there already.  
russ
response 33 of 35: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 03:58 UTC 2003

Oh, I see plenty... but it's gotta be the right kind, namely
fun for the participants rather than fun at their expense.
jolok
response 34 of 35: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 18:04 UTC 2003

Fascism, anyone?
naftee
response 35 of 35: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 20:52 UTC 2003

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