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Grex > Coop11 > #173: Motion to make scribble permanently erase response text | |
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mwg
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response 246 of 255:
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Jun 29 00:55 UTC 2000 |
I am of the opinion that the closest thing to an ethical position in this
question won. A forum like this should only remove text for two major
reasons, the avoidance of destructive litigation, and technical issues
like responses containing terminal control codes, raw HTML, or similar
destructive goop. The former would obviously have to vanish completely,
the latter could be stored elsewhere so as not to leap on the
unsuspecting.
I find the mere existance of the censor and scribble commands ethically
dubious, but as they don't actually erase anything, I see it as not worth
arguing over.
Warning people that they have to live with what they say is simply
reminding them of one of the fundamental principles by which life
operates.
As some people here can tell you, I have posted some incredibly stupid
things in my day, barring drive failures, it is all still here somewhere.
No doubt the hot coffee crowd will class this response and my position on
this matter as stupid, so be it.
While I would not leave Grex if such a vote were to go the other way, I
would take such a vote as a sign that the system was taking a destructive
heading in the long term.
I could go on, but I suspect that it would be pointless to do so.
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jmsaul
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response 247 of 255:
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Jun 29 01:01 UTC 2000 |
Sure would. For starters, nobody's suggesting that the "forum" should remove
anything -- just that the people who posted the text should be allowed to do
so if they choose. But if I explain everything else that's wrong with your
position (again), Scott will get pissed at me because it would take a while.
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carson
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response 248 of 255:
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Jun 29 04:06 UTC 2000 |
(Scott would get over it, too.)
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russ
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response 249 of 255:
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Jun 29 04:07 UTC 2000 |
Very interesting. After the M-Net decision to de-permit /usr/bbs/censored,
and after a certain board member who had voted for that policy re-entered
a response of mine that I had scribbled (perhaps 5 minutes after it was
entered), I cannot recall that Joe Saul had ANYTHING to say about that
board member's act (fairness, ethics or otherwise). Yet he pretends to
stand in judgement of Grex on that very issue.
The "ethics" do seem to depend whose ox is (potentially) gored.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, Joe.
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jmsaul
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response 250 of 255:
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Jun 29 04:10 UTC 2000 |
Russ, my opinions change over time. It's called learning. Has it ever
happened to you?
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remmers
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response 251 of 255:
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Jun 29 13:04 UTC 2000 |
Okay, I've gotten the update I needed from Greg. Here are the
results:
33 members voted. The totals are
yes 14
no 19
The motion failed.
(On a personal note, I'm somewhat surprised by this. I had expected
the motion to pass. So much for my ability to gauge the sentiments
of the body politic.)
The unofficial non-member vote went the other way: 57 yes, 33 no.
This was less of a surprise to me.
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void
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response 252 of 255:
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Jun 29 14:56 UTC 2000 |
grex does not own my text and does not have the right to force me to
continue publishing it. period.
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janc
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response 253 of 255:
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Jul 19 14:19 UTC 2000 |
An E-mail message from Joe Saul, with some new information:
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From: "Joseph M. Saul"
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:05:34
To: janc@grex.cyberspace.org
Subject: User Control of Posts
One of the arguments raised against allowing Grex users to delete their
own posts has been that other big online services (I think Deja News
and Slashdot were cited) don't permit it, so it obviously isn't an
issue. Well, guess what...
Deja News *does* allow users to remove news posts from their archive,
and all they insist on is that you be able to receive email messages at
the address from which you posted the messages in question. No
notarized letters, no other anal-retentive bullshit. Yes, you do have
to go to their staff, but since you didn't enter the post from a "Deja
News account" in the same way that Grexers enter their posts from their
Grex accounts, they don't have an alternative. Here's the URL to their
form:
http://www.deja.com/forms/nuke.shtml
In other words, Grex is not following "current trends," wouldn't drag
the big guys in if a user sues because the big guys *do* provide a
convenient means for deleting posts, and in fact respects the rights of
its posters less than Deja News does. Which is saying something.
Feel free to post this in the appropriate location.
-- Joe
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gull
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response 254 of 255:
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Jul 19 15:34 UTC 2000 |
I noticed that, too. They do make you jump through some hoops -- if you no
longer own the email address the messsage was posted from, you can't remove
it, and you need to submit a seperate request for each message you want
removed.
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mooncat
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response 255 of 255:
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Aug 1 20:48 UTC 2000 |
Well, that makes sense. Kind of similar to if you lose your password
here, and have another e-mail address listed in your .plan and write
from it requesting staff reset your password, after perhaps some more
verification it will be done. Or that's how it used to work, they may
have changed it in the last few years.
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