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25 new of 281 responses total.
nharmon
response 200 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 17:09 UTC 2005

There is no welcome message for ssh.
cmcgee
response 201 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 17:40 UTC 2005

Telnet doesn't work either.  I tried telnetting to grex.org and to
cyberspace.org.  I got the same screen as I got when using ssh

More ideas?
nharmon
response 202 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 19:00 UTC 2005

Use the web.
gelinas
response 203 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 02:17 UTC 2005

Sounds like "telnet" is just an alias for "ssh" on your machine, cmcgee.

In the Unix world, I'd "which telnet" and "where telnet" to find a telnet
client that isn't ssh.
keesan
response 204 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 17:53 UTC 2005

Neither modem was correctly answering this morning - I stopped waiting for
them to time out.
keesan
response 205 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 14 00:56 UTC 2005

512 is working again.
cmcgee
response 206 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 15 22:06 UTC 2005

gelinas, I'm on a Windows XP OS, using the "run" command to get to a DOS
command line interface.  Then I type "telnet".  Maybe SP2 or some other
upgrade turned it into an ssh alias?
cross
response 207 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 15 23:01 UTC 2005

This response has been erased.

keesan
response 208 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 17 13:20 UTC 2005

Both modems just keep ringing.  I could ssh here.
keesan
response 209 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 18 01:49 UTC 2005

Modems still not answering.
keesan
response 210 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 01:20 UTC 2005

I got through on 513 but 512 does not answer.
scholar
response 211 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 04:46 UTC 2005

The thing about Clinton should surely say FORMER president.
mynxcat
response 212 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 04:57 UTC 2005

I agree - that really looks bad. Or maybe grexers are in denial?
twenex
response 213 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 09:03 UTC 2005

I thought former presidents were still addressed as "Mr. President"?
nharmon
response 214 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 12:11 UTC 2005

No, you would address Mr. Clinton as Mr. Clinton.
bru
response 215 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 13:27 UTC 2005

today is william jefferson clinton's birthday.
tod
response 216 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 15:26 UTC 2005

re #214
No, I wouldn't.
keesan
response 217 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 15:42 UTC 2005

I got two of these in two days, the first with 'from' in upper ascii
and 'from' gmail, this one from cyberspace.
The last two lines of the message body were identical.  Out of curiosity 
as to what it might provoke, I actually answered the first one.  Is anyone 
else getting these?

From ling7334@grex.cyberspace.org Fri Aug 19 11:38:47 2005
Received: from ling7334 (helo=localhost)
        by grex.cyberspace.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.42)
        id 1E63iW-0001x9-CP
        for keesan@grex.cyberspace.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:03:16 -0400
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:03:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: LingZhifeng <ling7334@grex.cyberspace.org>
To: keesan@grex.cyberspace.org
Subject: re:you are not accepting messages
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.58.0508190548320.4084@grex.cyberspace.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender: LingZhifeng <ling7334@cyberspace.org>
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on
    grex.cyberspace.org
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,
        FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=ham version=3.0.4

I'm not accepting message because I'm not familiar with this system and 
I've mail to you with gmail but it's encrypt.
I'm a student,I haven't many time.you can mail to me,I'll reply to you.
Have a good day!
bru
response 218 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 17:31 UTC 2005

ling was talking in party last night about having written a spam program. 
This was around 1:00 a.m.  Apparently he tested it.
keesan
response 219 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 17:55 UTC 2005

Thanks.  Is it time to write some program to stop this from happening?
For instance, by limiting the number of recipients of the same mail?
naftee
response 220 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 23:04 UTC 2005

re #216
Mr. Former President ?
nharmon
response 221 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 01:37 UTC 2005

No, former presidents are addressed as any other civilian would be.
"President" is not like a military rank where it is retained after
retirement.
naftee
response 222 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 01:41 UTC 2005

Mr. President From 1993 to 2001 ?
tod
response 223 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 04:04 UTC 2005

re #221
In the United States, it is still fine to address the Senator as Mr. John
Smith, although the office title on the envelope may help direct the letter
more quickly.

For a salutation in a letter, we would generally write "Dear Senator Smith"
or "Dear Mr. Senator." We would use the same manner of address in person, that
is, "Senator Smith" or "Mr. Senator." While there is nothing "wrong" with
calling him "Mr. Smith," it is usually seen as being a mite disrespectful,
unless you know personally that the official prefers that means of address.

This pattern applies to most ranking officials such as mayors, elected
legislators, governors, ministers, presidents, secretaries, and titles formed
from these names like lieutenant governor, vice-president, or undersecretary.


When They are Voted Out...

What happens when they no longer hold the office? 

Usually out of respect, we would still refer to them the same way. While we
might refer to a retired Senator Smith as former Senator Smith or ex-Senator
Smith, that would not be appropriate as an address - whether a direct personal
address or address on a letter. It is perfectly acceptable and appropriate
to continue to address him as "Senator Smith" or write him in care of "Senator
John Smith." The term Honorable is usually reserved for those still in office.

For the salutation in a letter, it would still be fine to write "Dear Senator
Smith." "Dear Mr. Senator" tends to suggest that he is still in office. There
is usually nothing wrong with addressing him as "Dear Mr. Smith," but it is
probably better to avoid it unless you know for sure that he does not mind.
This is especially true after an election loss. Calling him "Mr. Smith" rather
than "Senator Smith" might be calling more attention to his loss - and
gloating is never good manners.


The Conclusion of the Matter

Clearly, if you have a personal relationship with the person and know the
person's preferences, you may use whatever would be appropriate in your
situation. If the senator is a personal friend, you may always start your
letters with "Dear John." Sometimes officials will insist on it. But in most
such situations, you may use the same appellations that you used when the
person was in office, though it is probably best to avoid Honorable or
Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms. plus the title once the person is out of office.

http://englishplus.com/news/news1200.htm

So, it comes down to a matter of respect for the office.  In the case of
President Clinton and President GW Bush, neither of them were voted "out" so
it would behoove a stranger to address them with their known title.
edina
response 224 of 281: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 16:18 UTC 2005

Can someone explain why it is that I occasionally log on and I show all brand
new items?  Like I haven't logged on at all for the new agora?
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